Price of Plex - Market intervention Required from CCP

It is disingenuous to claim that no one will read what you have written, and then when someone asks for you to present it, refuse and then insult them.

This is leading me to believe that you don’t actually know “how the game is [sic]” according to even yourself.

He literally wrote he assumes it means characters, not players.

Also since when is 1.6 equal to 1 out of 3?
Did math change recently?

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How is Brexit going Johan? I predict that soon your wages will worth less so you will have less money to spend on luxuries like a video game :smiling_imp::smiling_imp:

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your observations on some of my writings are indeed amazing, from what i gather you appear to be the type that can add the numbers 3, 4 and the letter z and get an of answer 23.

In either case, as simply as i can put it; New Eden is NOT a free market and it never will be, as this is the case yes, sometimes intervention is needed.

And no, i am not going to explain this to you, if you say you are reading up on these very things; i should not have to iterate for you on any terms.
If not then i dont think you would agree as obviously you have some form of narrative or agenda other than balance in favour of the playerbase in general.

  1. Point out where I’ve written that it wouldn’t be read. I didn’t. I wrote “people who will not acknowledge, or even understand it”.

  2. It is not disingenuous, it is a statement of fact given from actual experience you clearly lack.

Present what? The thread I haven’t written?

You are trying to make this look like I’ve actually written such a thread, which I did not. You just conviniently ignore the fact that I’ve even mentioned it in my last post!

I can not refuse to link something that I haven’t written!
I’ve mentioned that I haven’t written such a thread,
but that it’s all spread across posts across years!

You just ignore that part! Of course you do!
I’ve offered you to ask, but you ignore that too!

Of course you do!
You’re the fifth type of asshole!

Sheesh, what the hell.

You stated that there is no point in talking about how the game should work because most people don’t understand “how the game is”.

I asked you to explain what you meant by “how the game is”.

You have refused to do so and have instead resorted to insulting the people asking you to explain what you meant by that statement. I don’t see the merit in your claims here because you are refusing to provide support for your own stance.

Way to go ripping tiny parts of a post out of its whole.
Way to go ignoring 99% of the post.

Way to go not reacting to the important part
so you can just keep this ■■■■■■■■ up.

Please try harder.
Much, much harder.

:slight_smile:

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The funny thing is that I started this by asking

And you have dodged this question at every reply. I’m not “ripping tiny parts of a post”, I’m trying to stay on topic and not get distracted by your ramblings. I would like to see, and only see, what you mean by “how the game is,” that is all, nothing else.

It is, again, disingenuous to fill up your replies with nonsense and then cry when I don’t comment on the nonsense. I’m not commenting on it because they are unrelated to my original comment of “Would you mind taking the time to explain ‘how the game is’?”

I know how easy it is to resort to insulting people, but please do try to follow the conversation. I’m only asking for one thing and have remained consistent in asking for this one thing.

For me, fine. I work in a specialist industry and my employer has contracts with most of the European car makers and fleet companies; in or out doesn’t actually make any difference to what my income will support, it just means I can’t breeze through passport control as quickly.

Oddly schengen doesnt actually cover the uk but meh, not really relevent.

Peak average login = 30k. I use this because its also a very nice rounded number.
30k/1.6=18750
30k-18750=11250
11250 out of 30k = roughly 1 out of 3. Actually more then 1.3 but I like rounded stuff for sake of conversations.

If you feel like it you can plug in other numbers of your choice if you feel like it. 22k login gives 8250 non human accounts for example, etc. etc.

Keep in mind these are gamewide averages, so lets say you have 250 botting/multiboxing spodbrains out in botsec running 6 Rorqs each and maybe 20-30 bots runnign 50-60 VNIs each, so you can calculate and substract whatever figure you like to plug into it to get a number.

Unfortunately we do not have any data breakdowns available to make even educated guesses per region. We only have numbers provided for gamewide averages. So anything outside of that is speculation. Though there really is a ton of bots and all sorts of ■■■■ like that in botsec, just look at this Reddit - Dive into anything you get one of these posted every few days. Its a ■■■■■■■ plague and its becoming more and more prevelant with PBIC now on TQ in addition to the usual crap we already had from usual same culprits.

26k showing at the moment.

sorry what?

You’d have to read and understand the post dude, sorry, done repeating.

you think 8250 accounts logged in are bots?

I mean thats a large stretch to imagine that many are actually bots rather than just alt accounts dont you think?

Previous sarcasm edited out… these forums… ugh

Now I get it! Sorry about that!
Honestly I’ve lost track of wtf is going on.

bots , multiboxers, AFKers, broadcasters, all that sort of ■■■■, I chuck em all into same bin cause they’re all the same ■■■■ to me. Also, if there was an actual practical difference between them, then we wouldn’t have so much trouble telling them apart, there would be no question about who is who.

Multi-account-users would probably be the most generic term and neutral enough.

So, basically, you’re saying “alts are bad and the game would be better off without”?

I dont know, some IP that has like 50 accounts would feel like some sort of give away tbh but i dont really understand how botting works other than someone uses a program to make the character do stuff.

Its ok. We actually do have a lot of info and can work out quite a bit of numbers plugging in some basic math. Could work out even more and better if someone were to track all those bot corpse reported on reddit and just use dotlan and otehr data sources to get more numbers. But I know I sure as hell am not gonna do that, way too much for me. Therefore I understand why anyone else doesn’t want to do it either.

They use VMs andVPNs to mask id and IP. There are a ton of giveaways, corps with perma 100% tax rates, remainign online ratting for 23.5/7, not even attacking back or doing anything when attacked, often they actually break and do stupid ■■■■. Like a carrier that will jsut start pulling its fighters in and out and in and out etc. when it gets bubbled, etc. they are really super easy to track and see.