It’s more the opposite. Its politics have flavored my opinion of its spiritual state.
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I guess that makes sense. I wonder if the weakness you’re seeing is real, though.
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You’re also assuming the ‘pressure point’ would be overt military action. If the collapse of the Throne and warlordism is the goal, covert action to exacerbate those internal tensions and make the contemporaneous occupant of the Throne appear weak and ineffective is far more likely… and effective.
Feudalism, for all that it simulates totalitarianism, is never more than a few important scandals and deaths from anarchy.
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^ Also, this. Amarr will eat itself.
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That would be nice, wouldn’t it?
No, Aria, I don’t believe the pirate factions have the power to become the new Empire. Yes, I know they’re big. No, I don’t think they’re that big, and Samira spelled out nicely why.
If the Empire is brought to collapse, and yes, it can be brought to collapse. The Elder Fleet came close already, the Empire is far from the invincible juggernaut it thinks it is.
If it is brought to collapse, let us rest assured, an Empire does not vanish overnight. Not remotely. Samira has the right of it. I foresee the Empire collapsing and turning into vassal states. Pirates will claim some planets, cults will claim some planets, some descend into total anarchy ,and in the end we will have a hellish free for all as the entire region descends into violence. And nobody will have the upper hand.
I do believe that slowly, gradually, the various Empires will clean up that hellscape, however, because I do believe we are much better positioned to mop the floor with whatever chaotic elements arise, in time.
That’s the important part of my point here: In time. The Rebellions did not turn into the Republic in one day, and the Empire would not recover that fast either. It would be a long, long, long period of change and chaos, but in the end, even if it takes generations, I firmly believe those lands will end up in a better place, and we will tame what crops up.
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You are being informed of this weakness by Amarr’s most faithful, by its most fervent enemies, by those somewhat perceptive out in the outer regions and yet you’re going to sit there and doubt these people who know the Empire vastly better than you ever could, outsider?
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It shouldn’t be all that surprising, though, Miz. She’s in a bubble of functioning, relatively reasonable people, where Mitara (as near as I can tell) is the outlier of her experiences, not an example of the majority, or even a strong plurality.
And it’d be really nice to think that her experience is typical… but if that were the case, if there weren’t a strong core of support for the violent, oppressive, ‘old fashioned’ approach to things… I suspect there wouldn’t be so damned many slaver ships in the Imperial Navy.
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It’s because the Empire is good at keeping their appearance clean. It’s marketing, plain and simple.
They keep all of the misery, the slaves being worked half to death, the slave raids, the starving young well out of sight and instead use the art of spin to put emphasis on the good aspects of the Empire, and the “good” slaves. You know, the well treated house servants, the slaves that work as scientists or researchers who almost have full freedom, the artists.
The Empire is simply very good at covering up the bad, and drawing attention to the good, and the rest of the galaxy is happy to pretend that’s all they see because if they do it means they don’t have to answer any inconvenient questions or get into any inconvenient conflicts.
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You, sir, are filth of the most base and worthless kind.
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You don’t speak for me.
Of course i am a commoner.
I dare say you also don’t speak for those responsible Holders who take seriously their duty to educate, instruct, and reclaim their charges. The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man" not to break down “furniture”. The faithful are called to “Lead all children to the light of God, for Heaven is theirs to inherit.”
If a slave were merely a piece of “furniture” and not one of God’s children to which the message of faith is to be carried, indeed brought " as a message to every planet of every star in the heavens" and sought to be recovered into embrace of God’s “love to be saved by his grace”, then your grotesque and monstrous idea of what Reclaiming is, is as much of a farce as your post.
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The Breeding facilities – irrespective of one’s opinions on them – do have a context for their use, and fall within the rights and prerogatives of the Holder employing them. It is the responsibility of their direct superiors or House to deny such rights, not those without such mandate.
I agree completely, Directrix.
Not to mention, this alleged purpose of these breeding facilities, is also misogynistic, as it denies the Amarr woman a role in this form of ““reclaiming””.
arguably, you can build the case that a Minmatar woman, any child of theirs will still be predominantly Minmatar, especially daughters, because of the whole thing with mitochondrial DNA. Ditto for Amarr women. So, by excluding women from this “process”, is misogynistic and also blasphemous, as Holy Writ establishes that men, and women, have equal duty to reclaim.
It’s still gross though.
And blasphemous. God created the different forms of human for a Reason, which is not to be eradicated by the actions of Man. They are to be cultivated, such that their distinctiveness adds to the beauty of the Universe. It’s right there in the fricking Scriptures !
Put me right off my breakfast, reading that.
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I cannot choose which Holder actions to be defender and apologist for, because not being a Holder I must assume that their decisions are the correct one.
However, if it is still unclear, then what I I wrote in relation to Breeding Facilities should be submitted to both the Theology Council and the MIO so that I may stand in judgement and a precedence established as to their use.
Seeing the various shades of black on display here, but welcome to reality.
The Amarr views on slaves varies a LOT, but from my experience, they are often seem as furniture with no rights. And oftentimes, even, seen as errant children to be reclaimed AND furniture with no rights at the same time, by the same person.
It’s disgusting, and I’m glad some of you can at least trouble yourselves to be angered. It means God hasn’t corrupted you fully yet.
Not that the idea of reclaiming by “saving by his grace” via having them work in your service, for generations (Oooh, what a convenient arrangement for you, fictional strawman Amarr) is anything but a monstrous idea to begin with.
Wake up and smell the vitoc, and realize you’re on the wrong side of history.
Also:
If the reclaiming ever backfires, I hope you get molten silver poured down your throat.
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It must be exhausting to try to pretend what they said isn’t part and parcel of the Empire’s society. Are you truly so insulated from the reality of your Empire that you don’t recognize what they say? What they condone? Do you truly believe they are even out of the norm? Have you actually convinced yourself that your nation isn’t tumorous with these people and their ways, or are you still just publicly pretending really really hard?
Because this is what you support and promote. There is no half measures here. You can’t have it both ways. When you choose not to take a stand against slavery, you actively support this. For as long as slavery exists within a society, they will be treated as less than human, because that is what property always ends up meaning, in the end. There’s no dimmer switch with degrees of slavery you can adjust until you get it ‘just right’. There’s only on, or off. There’s what they describe, or there is not.
Of course, you’re not actually going to pick a side or take a stand, since that would require fortitude and courage, but hey.
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No one ■■■■■■■ says they are places of ‘carnal indulgence.’ No one calls them pleasure hubs. Everyone calls them exactly what they ■■■■■■■ are. They are breeding centers, for the systematic rape and spawning of additional slaves for a Holder’s repertoire, with no care for the Reclaiming or the sanctity of God’s creations.
I don’t know where you get this idea that it is True Amarr men doing the “implanting”. You should maybe go and see one of these facilities for yourself. You’ll find that it is slave men on slave women, Minmatar or Ealur or Ni-kunni or whatever else is in that Holder’s stock, expanding those oh so undesirable peoples, not diminishing them. Even if it was Amarr men, it would be no ‘noble’ task. It is vile and against the will of God.
Breeding facilities serve one, ■■■■■■■, purpose. Expansion of a Holder’s stock, to provide them with an expanded worker base for producing an expanded profit. They do not serve the Reclaiming. They do not serve God. They do not serve Amarr. Amash-Akura forbid the use of rape on conquered peoples - it has been counter to our faith since the very beginning of the Empire! And you defend it? You defend the flagrant violation of Amash-Akura’s commands? The violation of God’s creations?
You, Kezak-Akarin, have now firmly established yourself as one of the devilish fiends that infest the Holder class, leading our Empire away from God. You abuse your position, and so are not fit for its responsibilities. May God turn His Light from you, so that you rot in darkness.
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Now you’ve done it. You’ve gone and made Samira angry.
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… yeah, he ain’t gonna do fuckall. Want something done right, do it yourself.
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No, I am not a Holder. What is clear however, is that the description of these Breeding facilities provided to me, and which I thought credible as verifiable via the SCC interfaces to be in error. I have spoken out of turn and allowed doubt to lead me astray from my duties to the Faith. For such a grave sin, I can do naught but seek out the most grave of consequences.
I, Vykiomi Kezak, relinquish of my own volition all claims to the Kezak Holdership. I submit myself to the judgement of the courts of the Theology Council. If my case will not be heard I will submit myself to the Speakers of Truth for judgement as a petitioner. Until such time judgement is passed I will arraign myself in the custody of a Holder House of Sarum, and forfeit all my rights to the use of clones to the aforementioned.