Except it still has in essence put 20$ us for each account at some point with someone buying the plex. which meand they are using 300$ worth of materials paid into ccp. compared to 225 if its paid by a card. there is literally no way around that logic… Its more valuable to cpp for them to use plex.
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Good question. I will ask
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And mass amounts get eaten up each month. in an open market like eve has. the only way to devlaue an item is to overflow the market or make the item no longer as useful. Or institute price controls which would be way overstepping by ccp
So you think they should make the RL Currency cost cheaper?
Hmm…
Well I suppose flooding the market might cause a price drop.
I prefer just to drain everyone’s coffers so no one can actually afford high prices so the price has to come down to sell some of this glut of stock
Cant tell you what CCP are doing in that regard, I was simply telling you thats what theyve said several times.
If you drian everyons account then the plex price will drop but only the same people will be buying at the enw price since everyones value dropoped.
No build is perfect for every encounter.
While I might simply scoff at meeting a Karen in my worm doing T1s, I start sweating the moment I meet one in a T4 site, and know I’m pretty much dead if I don’t start orbiting her at range and get a decent speed before I get locked up, especially if I have target painters on me.
Same thing for meeting a Devoted Knight or Lucifer Cynabal in my worm, giving me sweaty hands, while their energy neuts are pretty much a joke in my gila with two cap batteries.
People that multibox AFK-rat don’t do abyss because it doesn’t pay well or because it’s boring, but simply because it’s not an activity you can reliably AFK and/or multibox to earn billions.
While i dislike thed drone changes as a form of anti afk. i do think that sites need to be made harder and more varied in the main game to help oppose afk instead of making mechanics more tedious.
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Will we ever be able to resize the clock?
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Actually, Id like this too
They pay nothing.
What gives CCP the $300 is me spending $300.
I pay $300
AFK ratting guy buys my PLEX
Total contribution to CCP from me - $300
Total contribution from AFK guy with 15 accounts - $0
^ This is broken
If CCP thinks this is an okay way to run a game, I don’t agree.
The only thing that makes AFK ratting guy relevant in this process is, according to you, that without him to buy the PLEX there would be no market for PLEX and so I would get little to nothing for my PLEX. So far so good.
BUT this ignores that I only buy PLEX because 15 ship AFK ratting fleets have broken the economy so badly. Without AFK guy, I would not buy PLEX. While you think without AFK guy I would not sell PLEX. You’re close, but not quite hitting the mark.
If the only reason for PLEX to exist is to make it easy for people to play EVE for free by AFK multiboxing then PLEX needs to go away.
If the only reason PLEX exists is to allow people who are not AFK multiboxing to catch up to those who are then PLEX needs to go away.
Letting people pay for their accounts with ISK when people can earn 40 billion an hour without being at their keyboard is insanely broken, to the point that it’s only because the game is that insanely broken that anyone buys PLEX.
It’s buying PLEX because broken and because broken buying PLEX.
‘I have broken EVE with my AFK activity, so now I require you to spend dollars to catch up to me so I may continue to break EVE with my AFK activity thanks to your dollars …’
None of this makes the EVE economy okay.
The EVE economy is absolutely FUBAR.
At least this change appears to be attempting to make AFK guy be less AFK.
A tiny, tiny victory against insanely broken things that spoil EVE.
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As a Multi-boxer who only AFK’s when I can afford to lose what I’m flying, I whole heartedly endorse the drone changes specifically because of the affect on those who make their in-game isk exclusively through that method.
The less money they make, the more value to things I do when I actively multi-box. The more value there, the more likely I am to keep the extra accounts subbed. Right now my subs are inactive, burning through 3 months omega time each. There are things that I believe are imbalanced, and since a lot of my game time is focused on manufacturing, I’m just riding this out to see where the mineral changes lead. If the drone changes make a bunch of AFK ratters quit, resulting in more value for my own in game non-AFK activity, perfect. If not, I’ll simply wait until changes are made that make conditions more favorable to how I enjoy playing the game. There’s no “CCP do this or I’ll unsub!” If that was my attitude, I’d have quit permanently many times over by now.
Do I ‘rage quit’? Sure. I’ve unsubbed over some things in the game (sorry CODE, it’s never been from the times you caught me), but then I also never stopped keeping up with the changes. Eventually, the wind is in my favor and I undock and sail the starry deep once again.
One thing I’ve seen over the 10 years I’ve been part of Eve is that the ever changing nature of the game will accommodate you if you are unable to adapt to a given situation. Just unsub and wait. Keep up with the game patch notes and major releases, etc. Sooner or later you’ll find yourself hitting “undock”.
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…not sure about yours, mine does it on it’s own.
All its done is move whos paying the money to ccp. if afk ratter wasnt there then you would not have spent the money meaning ccp wouldn’t have gotten anything. those accounts still were the catalyst for income to ccp. If you want to help stop this then quit buying plex. finding something profitable and slwoly work your way up like most players. get a larger group to simply stop buying plex. eventually plex will get so prohibitively expensive you’ll stop anyone form using it. then itll all just fall out as ccp is no longer getting extra revenue streams.
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You say that as if it is of no consequence.
That’s a problem.
A huge problem.
Perhaps one you cannot see, perhaps not a problem to AFK ratter guy or to CCPs accountant, but it’s a colossal problem in game economy / balance / integrity terms.
Subscriptions are a thing. See for some people, and I suspect you may be one, it’s so ingrained that you don’t pay for a subscription that doing so has become a long forgotten option. They would have got 15 subscriptions from him.
Again, maybe CCPs accountant is pleased that AFK ratter doesn’t subscribe on any of his 15 accounts because the wealth imbalance that his AFK farming produces drives PLEX sales, but that’s still a broken economy caused by broken gameplay fixed by cash cows who in turn enable the continuation of the broken gameplay.
None of that is admirable.
All of that is bad.
That it is the accepted status quo in EVE doesn’t make it any better.
Don’t get me wrong, wealth imbalance and even a broken economy, if driven by the hard work of determined players, is not automatically something I would rail against.
However, as we can see from the many people crying about how much hard work it is to press F and how ‘not worth it’ ratting is now because they have to use 1 finger to press 1 button - EVE is not broken because of the hard work of determined players.
EVE is broken because of people who aren’t even awake while their AFK fleet farms them billions.
That I do not like.
That is why I like this change to Drones.
I’ve listened to so many ‘we do not want to work for the ISK that lets us do what we enjoy’ speeches this week I am sick of them. This goes right to the top. The top guys in the biggest Alliances feel entitled to enjoy all the fun pew pew with none of the work - and not just any fun pew pew, not in a Merlin or a Catalyst, but in a Dread or a Carrier.
What does EVE stand for in 2020?
Everyone’s Very Entitled.
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I like this patch!
There is something for everyone 
Very cool jump clones overview redesign!
So if you assist drones to another toon and target paint/web an NPC, are people saying those drones won’t fire unless you hit F on the toon that dropped drones?
This is main problem. Nobody will pay for 15 accounts by credit card, most of players will settle on 2, maybe 3 accounts to cover various needs. So paying customer base will shrink and CCP will need to find another sources of income, because businesses must grow to be successful.
I’m bit afraid of income sources what may take place of PLEX sales. We will see.
P.S. Over 10 years in EVE I paid with PLEX once or twice, thanks to good stable work in real life I don’t need to grind for 15$ in-game.
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your thinking is bad and you should feel bad.
PLEX is sold to you by CCP and by CCP alone. No-one is ‘leeching’ off you. You choose to buy PLEX from CCP and sell it to other players. No-one is forcing you to do that, you are doing it completely of your own volition.
PLEX was introduced as an anti-RMT measure, to give players a fully legit option to convert real $$$ into in-game ISK. As an anti-RMT measure, it’s actually a pretty damn good one. Those who PLEX their accounts are simply using their time and your money to sub their accounts.
You do not “need to buy PLEX to remain competitive”, you choose to do so.
Where you get this “15 AFK Ratting ship earning 40b/hour” number is an absolute mystery. Your overreach and hyperbole do not help you make your case, quite the opposite in fact.
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correct. you assign your drones as pre-patch, hit your gun or target painter on an NPC and the assigned drones are staying ‘idle’.
in order to use those drones, each client needs to lock up the NPC and then hit ‘f’ to make the drones engage.
it’s very annoying and there was no warning that this would happen.
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