So this is the best way for a CSM member to present a proposal to CCP?
What is the best way for a player to present a proposal to CSM?
Does this cover all the above? Welcome to the Assembly Hall
This would be a very nice link to have in this threadâŚexcept it has not been updated (sigh). We are on CSM 13 and this shows the members of CSM 12 (many were re-elected though so not totally useless). But I suppose it does represent a bit of my difficulties in trying to figure out exactly what is going on.
https://community.eveonline.com/community/csm/current-csm/
Best way is to post it here and Iâll see it, or you can join the CSM 13 discord here: Official CSM Discord
You can also PM me, email me (briscrubal@csm.eve.com), find me on Twitter (@brianschoeneman), reddit (u/deltaxi65) or check out Open Comms on twitch.tv every Friday night.
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I know, and thanks for bearing with CCP. Weâve asked multiple times to get that updated.
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A link to an article to give more insight on the CSM, particularly with regard to elections by providing election statistics. The article it links to contains more links to more information/sources/articles.
https://newedenreport.com/2018/11/01/csm-by-the-numbers/
A list of current CSM13 members can be found here: https://www.eveonline.com/article/padnvt/welcome-csm-13
I demand very little for two reasons: 1) A lot of answers to my questions/problems have been answered/solved/ explained elsewhere and I just havenât found the information yet. 2) Unless I am willing/able to take on some responsibility and duties myself then how can I expect others to perform while I just sit here typing. In short, if I donât want to do it, its not very likely some one else does either.
I wonât be a priority until I make myself one (through work and proven valueâŚbut especially WORK). So really, thanks again for all your responses Brisc Rubal!
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Affecting everyone, everywhere, who participates in the regular in-game Events that I normally look forward to: âwhack-a-moleâ buttons to claim Agency points. Please help save my mouse buttons, EVE has more than enough clicks without adding more of them.
New addition to the Pearl Abyssal Cash Shop coming soon: For only $2.99 per event you can buy a Minmatar slave accountant to do all The Agency point claiming for you, so you donât have to do it yourself. 
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Thanks to you, I just had a twisted, bad idea: âyou see, iâm a poor player and canât afford this $2.99. But I really dig the new click reduction offer: for every 100 clicks, I can get 25 for free!â
How about âif you share us on failbook you get 100 click for freeâ? 
The reality of the actual CSM died when the white papers(its charter basically) were rescinded and burned by CCP, as those documents were the official and pseudo legal frame work of what the CSM was, and how it was supposed to be governed, and how its relations with CCP and more specifically CCPâs interal affairs dept were supposed to be like.
Edit: what we have today, is more like an unpaid consultation group for CCP.
I think itâs much better without the inevitable rules lawyering you get with things like that white paper.
maybe, maybe not
but when I joined EvE i heard about the CSM on day 1, and i asked questionsâŚ
And the original CSM real purpose was to keep Devs from interfering in game play, IE make sure they were reported when discovered and kicked out of every Nullsec faring Player Corp that existedâŚ
Because of the T20 ScandalâŚand yes as a result the CSM was used to bash CCPâs head in when it got out of control vs the majority of the playerbase wishesâŚ
After the Summer of RAge, the getting rid of the white paperâŚyep not so much anymore, the vision and useage of the CSM has changed dramatically.
Well, weâre still supposed to stop them from doing stupid things, and we try.
But the good thing is all the T20 stuff is basically gone. Frankly, weâd rather see the Devs playing EVE than not, because it helps them when theyâre making mechanics changes.
Granted,
But maybe the devs should be in their own corp(s)âŚand im not talking about their CCP corpâŚlet them make their own âhey im an alt and playing in secret guiseâ corp/alliances on special accounts where they have no ability to use Dev hacks and abilitiesâŚlike play for real, against us if they wishâŚmight give them better knowledge that way too going up against âourâ ruthlessness/niceness.
Thatâs what they do.
Falcon even mentioned they each get 5 omega accounts and I think if they want more than that, they actually pay for the accounts⌠But they play just like we do.
I am sure that they doâŚ
But I have seen hereand on reddit over the past few months (most noteably in summer) null groups claiming to know one or more Dev in their allianceâŚ
Dont remember the exact character name or even groupâŚbut a singular character actually got named at one point and pointed at by Brave, Goons, NC, and PL personnel as all knowing the guy was a devâŚ2 days later the character was biomassedâŚ
So what about the others mentioned that were not named that way claimed to be in player groups in nullsec? why are they there? If ppl actually know them, who they are, and suchâŚor even CSM members from those groupsâŚand if its trueâŚwhy are they allowing these alleged Devs to be in their nullsec groups?
And yes I do get itâŚthe community is a happy place mostly, we see it Fanfests, one big familyâŚbut there is still a division that needs to be manned, cause we are still human and yes its a game but many stories have proven that EvE is just too real compared to most others.
anyway.
We want the Devs to play the game, and we want them to play the game in nullsec groups, as well as other parts of EVE. The only issue is they have to be quiet about it. We donât want them in leadership positions or otherwise interfering with the political meta, but we do want them playing the game at that level.
We canât expect these guys to know what itâs like to field a Titan in a long tidi fight if they never do that, etc.
But they need to be careful and stay undercover. When their cover is blown, yeah, theyâre going to have to biomass. Thereâs no other way around it.
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