I think this thread isn’t in the right place but what do I know? At this point, I feel more stupid than the village idiot… and I don’t even why this text is in bold.
Hi everyone. I hope your day going good because mine, not so much at all.
This is my first thread and probably my last thread as I don’t want to piss anyone off on this forum and have to worry if they’re going to come after me in the game. I like playing EVE and it’s no fun when I have to worry about a player looking to gank me because I wrote something they didn’t like.
I just want to write a few words about the tutorial and EVE in general. Forgive my writing if it’s all over the place but I’m not feeling good right now, not good at all, but that’s beside the point.
So I was reading a bunch of stuff overnight about EVE Online. I stayed up all night because I can’t sleep because I’m sick as usual. And so I found out a whole lot of things that leave me perplexed. Yes, this post is about the tutorial but it’s about much more.
I’m new and everything but I speed read. I can finish a 300page book in an hour. So about the Tutorial.
It’s woefully inadequate. And when I say inadequate it’s putting it mildly. It’s not a tutorial, it’s not a guide, it’s not even a show-and-tell. It’s… just… how can I describe… It just puts you in the seat and shows you the stirring wheel, the pedals, and the gear stick and then tells you “go on the freeway and follow the cops without them noticing you”. it sends you to agents who tell you that you need to do stuff but doesn’t explain how to do them. The blue pointers get in the way of things and Aura gets in the way of things too. It’s just skin-deep, it tells you NOTHING about the game or how it’s played.
Because the game is mostly played offline. I found that out last night’s reading.
Take, for example, the Locator Agents.
I had no idea, not even a clue, that players can find you wherever you are in New Eden for ( if you’re online) 5mil and up depending on the level of the agent and your standing with her/him. Nowhere does it say about locator agents in the game. You have to find out online. That’s one. I think it’s a pretty BIG piece of information that new players need to know, like, right off the bat.
It means that, wherever you are in the galaxy, if someone wants to find you, they will, unless you don’t play at all and what’s the point of that?
Another thing about the tutorial. It doesn’t teach you anything about flying your ship. It just tells you to click “here” and “there” and that’s it. It doesn’t tell you about to align before Jump to 75% of it’s speed if your ship has a long alignment time, it doesn’t tell you about inertia, how that affects your rate speed of turn, it doesn’t tell you to turn off afterburners if you want to align faster, it doesn’t tell you how/when to turn on MWD or off ( I forget, sorry ) if you want to jump right on top of your target, it doesn’t tell you anything about Bookmarks or how to set them. It doesn’t tell you that you may want to jump 50 -100km of a jump gate to have time to see if there’s an enemy and have time to warp off… I think those are pretty important for new player to know. All those tricks will determine how successful a new player is right off the bat.
That’s about navigation only and mostly.
Now, on to weapons. The tutorial tells you that there’s a correct range at which weapons have the most power but it doesn’t tell you that as you orbit your target, your rate of speed will increase the range at which you’re orbiting depending if you have afterburners on/off. It doesn’t tell you that even out of range, your weapons may be even more powerful depending on the ammo you’re using or weapons tracking.
I tried Amarr two days ago. Tutorial for Amarr doesn’t tell you that the laser crystals will get damaged. I found that by buying some in a contract and the crystals were 40% damaged. It’s okay, I’m not bitter because they were damaged but it would’ve been nice to know that they can be damaged and the tutorial could have mentioned something about that. I mean, Aura speaks and all ( it’s the ONLY character NPC that speaks in the game ) but such crucial details are omitted in favor of a talking NPC.
On to the modules. Tutorial doesn’t mention anything about modules at all. Some modules are Active Modules, some are Passive, some can be loaded with scripts, some can be loaded with charges, some with power charges… There are modules that fit better on one kind of ship and others that can be fitted on all ships. There are tech1 modules, tech2, tech3… I don’t even know if tech4 even exists, the game sure doesn’t tell me.
Then there’s the capacitor and CPU. Most tech1 ships have weak capacitors and cpu while there are more hardpoints than it can handle energy-wise. As soon as you put a stasis webber or a multyspectrum shield the capacitor goes crazy and you have to put batteries and rigs to bring it to a Stable level. I know I’m noob and maybe I’m not fitting properly so I have to go on a website and spend a whole day trying to understand how to fit my ship because the good people in Help Chat don’t have time or the inclination to hold someone’s hand and the chat scrolls so fast that you have to write your question twice or three times.
I’m sorry, I don’t mean to make this post longer than it needs to be but I’m trying to make a point.
Maybe a lot of you will say " The tutorial won’t / can’t tell you everything " and I think that’s the point I’m trying to make: I think EVE could never have a good tutorial because EVE isn’t like other games.
As I mentioned, a lot of what makes playing EVE correctly is only found on websites and third-party software.
Evewho, Evedata.org, Pyfa, EveGateCheck, Locator Agents ( I only found out about it reading EVEUniWiki ) and I’m sure there are other tools that neither the tutorial nor Help Chat will tell you.
I went to the rookie chat asking about Locator Agents and where to find it in the UI and I almost got lynched.
Look at all that with the eyes of a new player - if you veterans even remember what it was like to be a noob in EVE - and tell me how I’m supposed to feel. Here I am, in the game, flying a ship I’m not even familiar with even though my Mastery is at II . I don’t know what it’s capable of doing, how to do certain things with it, if it’s a PvE or PvP ship, what could I use it for and against who… And now tell me, after finding all of that through quick reading all night, how would you feel?
Would you feel woefully inadequate? I do.
Would you feel that this game is really not what the tutorial suggests it is? Or what the advertisements suggest it is? I do.
Then I look at the ships I want to fly ( because, you know, I’m paying monthly subscription to fly ships and have fun and fleet with people and have a good time ) : Battlecruisers, Destroyers, Special ships for cloaking, Support ships, battleships, logi-ships… and I tell myself ( now that I know ALL of what I have just written) I’m going to lose at least 5 or 10 of each of these ships before I can even hope to PvP properly.
What’s a new player supposed to think at this point? Because I really don’t know exactly what to make of all of that.
Did CCP make that game so complicated to where all the crucial info isn’t IN the game expressly for people to spend 10 years day-in and day-out to even start to be useful in a fleet and have fun?
Do veterans use the fact that knowing how to play this game takes so long that any player under a number of years doesn’t even know that even though a system is empty there can be someone in-system that can’t be found / known about ?
I’ve checked and rechecked the info the overview shows against Local and I saw ships with yellow warning icons but when I check Local no one is shown to be a suspect. Why is that ? Is there a special skill for that or am I too stupid to figure it out? ( don’t answer that, lol )
I need to finish this post now or no one will read it. I know it’s long and tedious but those questions are important to me and, I think, other new players as well.
I’ve read about Player Retention in a few threads and I can tell you now: The ONLY reason I’m not letting myself be discouraged by those facts is that I think I’m playing a game that’s unique in the history of MMO’s, that I love space games and I like reading all the info about everything in the info panel, but even the info panel isn’t complete. Info leaves out crucial information only found on webpages, that very few games interest me as much as EVE interests me and that since my body forces me to stay at home until I get better - if ever - I might as well have a little fun between the nurse daily visits and my sister bringing me food.
That’s all I wanted to point out. Very sorry for the wall of text.
I hope you all are taking care of yourselves. Be well.