Here in America.. That is libertarian idea that keeps falling on its fool face. Pay as you go. Is always more costly and never works. This poster idea of pay as you go is just as ridiculous. Many games that have tried this either become a pay to win or fold up.
The fact this OP is still trying to argue that it is a good idea is just hilarious to me. He has been shown to be wrong on so many ways. Tilting a windmills is still a thing.
You starting to sound like a libertarian.. Yes i should only pay for what I use. I should nott pay for what everyone else uses. Even though I might benefit from a lower cost in the long run. Bud This is the 21 century. Subscriptions are now the norm. Go yell at a cloud if that makes you feel better.
But what you propose is preposterous as has been pointed out and demonstrated to you.
No single person’s opinions matter, especially not the “I’m unwilling to pay for a product and service but they should cater to me anyway before I grace them with my presence” type of clown.
That level of main character thinking is hilarious, dumb, pretentious and outright silly. It’s hilarious to watch you use grandiose statements about how important you are and how CCP should adapt to your will.
Literally no one cares, CCP certainly doesn’t. I bet most of us are just responding out of boredom and anticipation about what kind of dumb stuff you’re gonna type next. No one is interested in your brain farts about how important you are. Play the game or don’t.
Lol. No….when I did computing at college it was all paper tape and punch cards. My generation invented computer games. I wrote a few myself. Those were the days when one person could create a hit computer game.
Subscribing to a fridge ? I can afford to buy one straight out. None of that HP nonsense. I’ve had zero debt, zero loans, and zero HP for over 20 years.
A better analogy is road maintenance. Here in the UK we all pay road tax, which is the same whether you do 5 miles a year or 500,000. I don’t get a discount for only doing 2,000 miles a year.
Nooo….the World Economic Forum can take a hike. We’ll all be driving Trabants if they have their way.
Did you fold, spindle, or mutilate those cards like an origami project gone bad or was I the only that did that.. LOL
The discussion is going in a direction that this is a “libertarian idea”. It’s not. It’s hyper-capitalistic to its core. It’s caused by a generation that grew up with mobile cash grabs, like Asphalt, and live service slop, like Destiny. It’s based on a delusion that a sum of individual pieces is smaller or equal to the price of subscription - it never is, never was, and never will be. Do you know why? Because that type of monetization only attracts those who don’t see it and fall into the cash grab trap.
The moment a company, any company, starts to chop a game into payable pieces, that’s the moment when greed kicks in. Then the only question will be “how can we make the suckers pay more”, all while presenting it as “your choice”. It’s not your choice and never will be. The game is your hobby. It means something in your life, because otherwise you won’t be interested in paying or playing. There are numerous manipulative and predatory ways for a company to pull you in and squeeze a lot more money than it’s rational, and especially a lot more money than you originally intended to pay.
I really can not understand how you can’t see it.
What do you think about the post that @Antihrist_Pripravnik just made?
With social regards
-James Fuchs
I think he’s got a point about cash grabs, but rationality is kind of a different beast.
For clarity, I never suggested that a pay-per-meter model should be implemented nor did I strongly argue in favor of it. Nor am I the OP, who hasn’t posted in a while. I simply take umbrage with the current monthly subscription model and see, clearly and plainly, competitors offering free play without compromising the vision for their game. For me a hobby cannot be something so intrinsically tied to a company, that to me the whole treatment of a single video game as a hobby became irrational long ago.
Once, I described Eve Online as a hobby as well. But it’s merely a product. And that means that it can either appeal to my “entitled” attitude or not get bought. That this “sounds” (whatever value that has) like a political leaning to some instead of critical consumerism, is a matter of optics. Not of rationality. Taking into account your potential play time per month and putting that next to the cost IS rational, to my mind.
There’s no such thing as ‘free’. Someone is paying…..and if you aren’t then that’s because someone else is paying for you.
Why is this simple fact so hard for people to grasp ?
There is no free anything out there, least of all games. Anything you get ‘free’ is either chock full of nauseating adverts, or is being paid for by others via premium prices on select items.
I think an entire generation of freeloaders has grown up with the notion that companies are offering them stuff ‘free’…failing to grasp that actually someone is paying.
Oh, for the love of blue-peeping-blinky-poop, not this again.
Go live out your pay to win wet-dreams in some piece of half-remembered TrionWorlds trash, O/P, that garbage will never, ever gain a speck of tracton here.
Or, you could just finally get it through your head that Alpha status is really just an indefinite trial-account –and quite generous by the usual standards of those (did I mention that there’s no time limit?)– and treat it accordingly.
Either support the game you say you like by subbing-up, or sit the ■■■■ down and shut the ■■■■ up.
The concept is not “hard to grasp” at all. What you do not seem to grasp is that I am perfectly fine with other people paying premium prices for select items. Your remark about whole generations of freeloaders is an old hat by now. One we have heard many times, and have answered just as many times by adressing by which generation we were raised. Since that generation has had plenty of financial windfalls, the idea that you could pay my play time by buying yourself a stupid trinket very much appeals to me.
Why would I feel guilty about that in a video game, when in the real world me and my fellow workers consistently feed the freeloaders that previous generations took in, while simultaniously being gatekept out of purchasing homes due to increasing population size and changing demographics?
So this video game situation, where you are trying to convince me that that someone should be myself, is super hilarious. No dude. We’re gonna do what you guys did and let some other generation pay the bill. And since we’re not making a new generation, that would be YOU.
I think a black hat would suit your avatar the best.
So eve in its current state doesnt appeal to you. It appeals to enough people that the devs won’t kneel down to appeal to one person. Go find a other game
So if I have this clear, you expect to play this game for free and have another generation pay for it? Because buying a house is expensive?
As another one of the generation that has to spend a lot to get a house I like that there are free to play games but fully understand that someone has to pay to keep those games running and don’t mind paying from time to time if the game is good and paid options attractive.
No, you do not have that clear. First off, that is not my expectation but my desire.
Secondly, it is not because a house is expensive that I want another group to pay for it, it is because I cannot afford a house at all. By the time I come into that kind of money (through inheritance) prices will have increased further and ultimately, it will simply not happen UNLESS someone else will pay for it. So it’s less of an accusation and more of an ultimatum.
I also do not mind paying for a game that is good. And that is where we all ultimately seem to disagree: Eve is not that good. Not good enough for ME, that is. Others are welcome to pay their subscriptions and keep the game going. Maybe one day I might care again as well.
Lol bye
Okay.
But if EVE is not that good for you, why are you still here?
There is an uncountable amount of games on the market, many of them free and fun.
Why not play something you think is good?
I play various games, but generally when I think a game isn’t worth my money it isn’t worth my time either.
Hey…my generation lived off Pot Noodle and wasn’t paying £5 for a cup of coffee and another £5 for avocado on toast and other such ‘necessities’ and then paying £50 for a dose of Quantum Healing Crystals.
And there it is.. A game that you have no regard for anyways. Yet expect to play for free.. SMH That is entitlement cubed and squared.
That’s way too cheap!
Exactly. It used to be that CCP offered 7-day or 14-day trials. And for a long time after you used up the trial offer, you could not reuse it again. It would be very difficult for CCP to bring back those limited trials now, since the moment they did that a huge number of people would start to complain why their right to play the game for free has been taken away from them. Except, they never had any right to play for free. It’s out of CCP’s generosity that they can. And it’s not even that limited.