No official conflict? The Imperial Navy had been fighting the Drifters for months already. The Empire started the conflict. You don’t need to make some big flashy statement when you’re hitting back.
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Gods and spirits.
Pilots, please don’t feed the Arrendis? She’s looking for a fight, she doesn’t care who she hurts, and she’ll never concede that she’s wrong about much of anything because it’s more fun to battle every single point.
It’s not about truth, with her, not as long as she’s functioning like this. It’s more like jogging. A treadmill. Rhetorical exercise.
Please leave her be?
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I called them many things
Freaks
Abominations
Mutants
Filth
Scum
Monsters
But not mongrels. Gonna have to keep that in my book to broaden my range of insults to toss towards them.
I had to inform travelling vessels of what these Drifters truly are. Not some highly advanced faction of deadbeat mongrels. But a collective of monsters that could be beaten and are unworthy of fear.
Also much how like you were trying to be all friendly with these creatures. I was conducting my own test to see if i could sit there on gate and get some form of human response from them by provoking them with insults. About all I could do till the fleet was formed…J
I won’t back down from anything I said that day. I won’t apologize to these things but I would like to apologize to @Makoto_Priano and @Jaret_Victorian for getting my opinions mixed in with ARC’s rather…“Pragmatic” view of the Drifters? Forgive me, lack of a more suiting word
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Pilots are free to engage in such discussion as they please, Mr. Yaken, via such channels as they please. At no point did you state that your positions are ARC’s. That Mr. Ormand is trying to take positions because he dislikes mean words being said, well-- that’s his prerogative.
ARC leadership has better things to do than police the public communications of the numerous individuals who volunteer their time, energy, and resources to our shared objectives.
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All of this energy and talk wasted on such trivial debate that neither side will ever concede on. The fundamental issues presented are differences in philosophy loosely based on anecdotal experiences that cannot be fully shared with nor understood by the opposition. This is because the arguments grow from a position of perceived morality - wholly subjective views that stem from culture, upbringing, and experiences. It has been consciously realized by several parties in this endless circulation of words; though most on the defensive. Yet even then they continue to try and defend their position knowing there will not be success. We will only ever understand these matters from our own perception and thus explanation is fruitless and futile.
Suffice to say, this dialogue was not meant to be resolved. In fact, it was doomed from the start. Neither side entered on the basis of wanting to understand the other side, but merely to prove their shortcomings and wrongdoings. Certainly there will be detractors to this, likely issuing the rebuke of “No, I fully understand where they are coming from” and then immediately following with “but” or “however”. Disingenuous as it is pointless, it would solve absolutely nothing. It is an obtuse attempt to preemptively diffuse the inevitable continuation of additional vitriol while still bull-headedly trying to convince the other side that they are wrong.
No, this dialogue was not meant to be resolved. It was meant to inflame emotions and reduce the opposition to an enemy of varying states. It was meant to vilify and condemn in ways each unique to their respective sides, because it is easier to chastise a monster than it is to simply accept human beings as they are. To that end, I would remove myself from this tournament of words, such that my time be better spent elsewhere.
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Maybe true, but on this point I have to agree with her. The Empress was an entirely valid target at that point , whether she was flying a Titan in Amarr or a kite in her back garden.
Also, if the Drifters are sleepers of one form or another why are they not concerned overly much with us WH folks living in Anoikis? They’ve never yet bothered my folks, so we in turn have left them be.
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I haven’t done anything more than watch these Drifter people/things but I have a question for those that say because CONCORD are not attacking the Drifters, ARC should not be attacking the Drifters.
If CONCORD (and the major empires) considered attacking the Drifters to be a dangerous act (ie might bring their wrath down upon us all) why do they (CONCORD) not intervene and prevent ARC from attacking these Drifter fleets that have appeared in high sec?
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That is a good question, but to my recollection CONCORD has not taken an openly hostile stance to the Drifters besides their Amarrian representative. Keywords here are “openly hostile.”
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Exactly. We have an unknown number of an unknown race of extremely advanced “people” operating in all area’s of new Eden, including high sec.
Surely if these Drifters are not hostile then CONCORD would be telling capsuleers to stop shooting them in case we do tick them off?
I guess what I am asking is “Is CONCORD complicit in ARC’s Drifter attacks simply by allowing them to continue” ?
My personal opinion is that CONCORD and the major factions do think the Drifters are hostile and they are allowing us (capsuleers) to freely attack the Drifters so that they can gain tactical information on their strengths and weaknesses and build up their forces to face any major atttack.
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Or, you know, they take the same hands-off stance they do to pretty much everything else. The paper-mill required for them to get a standing order to shoot capsuleers if they aggress Drifters would be staggering all on its own. It’s unlikely that they’d start such a process without more information.
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And there you were a few weeks back, demanding, begging, even to the point of offering intimate favours, for CONCORD to be allowed to overwrite nation states administrative systems to exclude capsuleers from huge swathes of space. Something that would involve far more paperwork than a ban on shooting Drifters.
Move the goalposts a bit further, people can still see them.
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Or maybe as you pointed out, they don’t object to capsuleers shooting them so that they can gather intelligence and don’t have to spend their own resources on shooting the Drifters.
That is the same as asking is CONCORD complicit in slavery by allowing it to continue. Or complicit in any horrific thing demented capsuleers have ever done.
That is entirely possible. And I’d like to remind people of what I said earlier, that I’m sure most people do agree that Drifters are certainly a threat, but there are greatly differing views on how big of a threat, to whom, and how to best deal with them, despite the favourite strawman of many ARC affiliated persons that me or others are advocating complete and total pacifism.
Or, like in the case of Yaken who seems to be paranoid enough to think that “drifter sympathizers” are in cahoots with them to steal his brain, or something.
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Because, as Miz says, paperwork. They’d have to get such a standing order past (among other things) the Amarr representative on CONCORD’s ruling body. Which do you think is more likely? That Amarr approve CONCORD defending Drifters, or veto it?
The issue isn’t ‘are they a threat?’ The issue is ‘how do you deal with this change in behavior?’ Clearly, the ‘scientists’ of ARC have decided that rather than alter their experimentation and observation program to account for new conditions, they just want to keep blowing things up.
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too, @Makoto_Priano?
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With popcorn? You madwoman.
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Mmm. Salty.
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Flavored popcorn and wine can be quite tasty in combination 
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Things like that is what we love about her. Right?
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Hm. You have a point there. I could see a caramel corn actually playing nicely with a red, depending. It still strikes me as sacrilege, but…
Well, it’s certainly a fresh point of view…
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