Rens fleet down.
Edit: huh. Another fifteen appeared.
Hm.
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Could you not piss them off in our space?
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Time to start yelling âweâre all gonna die!â?
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Donât yell youâll scare the Drifters.
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They already attack our fleets, dont know how pissing them off more would do much if they already are aggressing.
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And what fleets are those then? Be precise.
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((The NPE starting quest isnât considered part of lore? Was under the impression it was thus itd be common knowledge all empires get attacked. Feel free to correct me on that, dont really know for sure.))
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(( Up to you I guess. I personally donât think taking on Faxes solo in a shitfit Rifter is going to kill it, nor that the Navies furiously wank over your presence, or that you can practically solo a Drifter hive in said Rifter. Four times, in different nations, with the exact same scientist lady. ))
So, I couldnât help but notice theyâre still scanning that gate. Peacefully. Not a single shot fired. Wonât someone think of the children?!
Edit: Well, itâs confirmed. They didnât fire on anyone until fired upon, unprovoked. Lovely.
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44 Drifters in total downed in Rens today.
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For the crime of doing exactly fuckall.
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That sounds familiar.
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If youâre referring to me shooting SFRIM, I think youâre missing a whole lot of provocative history, and even if that wasnât the case Iâd still be shooting any valid target that further antagonized Drifters in our space, for no good reason.
They were just as harmless as the seekers, exhibiting the exact same behavior of scanning things in their vicinity and generally doing nothing harmful. There was no justification, nor Republic call for throwing fuel on that fire. You are capsuleers and have nothing to lose. My people on the planets below do. You antagonizing the Drifters like that is provocation enough. What you lot do in the other nations, I donât really care about. Risking my people, with no justification? No mandate? No call for it? Itâs so shortsighted, I have trouble believing it.
That SFRIM was the only valid target in that blob is unfortunate.
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Insinuating that there has not been a provocative history of aggression from the Drifter threat. Perhaps youâd like to explain your position to Fleet Commander Yna Vadari and tell her how the Drifters are âgenerally doing nothing harmfulââŚ?
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Again everyone has a boner for killing Drifters and again everyone, even the so-called, self-titled experts, is disregarding the fact that Drifter operations in k-space have been by all evidence Iâve seen, goal oriented. Goal oriented meaning, they generally avoid unnecessary combat and attack only those who have previous history of attacking them, Seekers/Lancers, or getting in to areas that they consider under their influence, which have so far been the Observatories and their peculiar wormholes.
As again for why they briefly attacked the Amarr en-masse, we donât know. But because they stopped, it would seem that they achieved their goal, whatever it was, and left it at that. Again, when they assassinated Jamyl, they did just that and left, with a fleet that nobody could have stopped at the time, and likely not even now.
So, once again, I have to disagree with the scandalous threat assessment people like to give them. Are they dangerous? Of course. I do love to think though, that they are very much like us, the capsuleers - as long as you donât antagonize them needlessly, youâll be fine. Of course, Iâm not counting the capsuleers who attack others just for fun - the Drifters donât seem to do that, they only mean business.
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Aggression? What aggression would that be? They have struck a few objectives, certainly, but would you not consider it justified given where they appear to be coming from, and what we have been doing to provoke that? Looted and pillaged entire regions worth of space that was never ours to begin with, and if rumors are true we might even have kidnapped and enslaved their version of infomorphs in our bloody tech.
The amount of violence theyâve done in our space barely registers on the scales of violence that happen between us people in New Eden on a daily basis, and as a response to what weâve been doing to them itâs one of the most measured and limited Iâve ever seen.
I know if I had access to their ability to pop up damn near anywhere, with that kind of firepower, I alone would be responsible for vastly greater damage than theyâve been throughout their entire known history with us.
Youâll need better arguments than that if you want to pretend your wanton violence is justified.
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Such peace-loving folk.
I can only assume that this argument for pure self-defense is to be applied in all cases.
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Speaking of goal orientation, Eram is not far away from Rens.
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In this case, certainly. Donât get me wrong, Iâm a very violent person and generally donât find myself short on reasons for it, but you guys have yet to demonstrate a good reason for this wanton destruction. These Drifters were demonstrably harmless. What was there to gain in their destruction? Some cheap loot? What did you learn in this engagement? What cause was furthered? What happened today, that benefited anyone involved?
Itâs looking far less like research into a potential threat and more like wanton senseless rampaging.
When theyâre being harmless, thatâs when itâs time to be patient and simply observe and follow. Watch their behavior, perhaps even retry various means of communication whether they work or not, and keep observing them until theyâre no longer in our space, or until they prove to be an actual threat.
In fact, itâs worse than wanton destruction, itâs a senseless throwing away of an opportunity that only further increases the likelihood of future interaction being purely hostile.
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I do my darnest to live by my own standards, yes.
Anyway, Ms. Priano, I know youâve explained it before, but remind us again, what is your excuse for the continued assault on the Drifter Hives? I vaguely remember it being something about âlearning to fight themâ - but unless Iâm mistaken you and yours have a lot of experience in that already, yet you still do it - why? You have these systems under constant surveillance, do you not? Then why the need for continued excursions? For live-fire training?
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I know, I was the schmuck who got fooled into sorting an escort for that bastard. If Iâd known then what I know now, Iâd have destroyed that freighter myself.
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