Yeah, mine 20minutes until they spawn and get off. Business as usual for Ventures or Prospects in JSpace. I see no reason to complain?
@Aiko_Danuja canāt wait for you to be ready to run T6 Abyssals in HS either. 
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Actually, Iāll be happy with T5. 250m isk per hour is satisfying to me.
I have a fit capable of it and all my skills are where they need to be. All I need to do is study up on them. Simple. With no suspect timer anymore, thereās no reason not to do T5. The ship for that only costs 2b.
What a strange attitude to take, why is it you are so defensive about hidden ore anoms being solo friendly?
I can huff gas until it runs out in LS or interrupted by PLAYERS, because no rat spawns. I can go into NS and run relic & data sites until interrupted by PLAYERS, becase no rat spawns.. but somehow, if I probe down a hidden ore anom in hostile space, and rats spawn, the solution is to multibox as a solo player rather than suggesting that some of these sites should be OK for expedition frigates, an entire class of ships & playstyle designed for probing down sites in hostile space to harvest resources.
As for risk, these are activities in LS & NS, me in a day trip out there is already taking on risk far more than other pve activities that has *higher reward*, your argument of risk v reward is just wrong.
The spawn timer is random. It could be 30 seconds, 5 minutes, or 20 minutes.. thatās the issue with these new hidden ore anoms. It completely destroys the incentive for solo players & expedition frig players to even bother searching for & scanning them down.
All the magic space police do is prevent folks from running around with expensive ships engaging in asymmetric combat. Griefing mitigation, so to speak.
But since multi-boxing is encouraged it is still asymmetric. While the loss is guaranteed, it is much lower than if the blinged out ship was destroyed in retribution. Really Concord is reducing the opportunity cost for both sides.
Everything punishes you in Eve 
Mistakes are most heavily punished and one huge mistake would be to take your finger off the dscan button. If the bad advice werenāt enough to tip you, know that anyone who claims to make billions of isk per hour, or billions per day mining, is full of shite.
I never Dscan in high sec. Itās one of the reasons Iām in High Sec. Thatās for J space. Iāve been told that you get used to it.
Dscan can be used anywhere in space.
Using dscan is like flying with your eyes open so you know whatās happening around you.
You could also just fly on ātouchā by being aware only of things that are on grid with you, but thereās so much you could miss.
By regularly using dscan you get to recognise regulars as āthat Heron pilotā or āthe multiboxer with the Covetorsā or āVargur pilotā purely by seeing local chat and using your dscanner, which makes it easier to recognise whatās happening in space.
You could use dscan to avoid warping to the same anomaly as someone else, or see which signature the other explorer is scanning or hacking at the moment. You could see abyssal filament runnerās traces or spot MTUs full of loot. Can find Geckos to be scooped. You could spot a moon field thatās currently being mined or find specific NPCs you are hunting. Or players.
Dscan is not a wormhole tool, itās a tool for anyone in the game.
And I find it best to make use of it even in low pressure situations because practice makes it easier to also dscan well in situations where it is what keeps you alive. Or lands you a kill.
In null sec I make extensive use of it to both stay alive and to know whatās going on.
Fly blind if you wish, I like keeping my eyes open while in space.
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I know all of that. That was not within the context of the post to which I replied.
In the context I was given, it very much is a WH tool. They donāt have local chat and cannot see when someone enters the system. Thus, they use D-Scan over and over to check for unwanted visitors. A new hole can open at any time so itās in their best interest to keep an eye on D-Scan.
The point I was trying to make is that dscan is not a wormhole tool.
It may be used a lot in wormholes but you will die if you donāt use it outside wormholes (like in LS, NS or Pochven) either.
Only in HS can I see how someone could survive without dscan, because of how the threat of CONCORD stops most attacks of opportunity against oblivious players from happening.
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I suppose I could have included a hundred word disclaimer, but I didnāt want to. Itās most needed in WH space because they have no local. Thatās a HUGE difference.
I also know itās used recreationally. āHey, thereās a moon field.ā or āOh, I found a structure.ā
Itās also used for finding targets. āOhh a Venture!ā
But youāre right. D-Scan can be used anywhere so Iāll amend my earlier statement:
āItās a wormhole tool, but not only a wormhole tool.ā
No need for a hunded word disclaimer!
A wording like āI never use dscan in HighSec, dscan is only necessary in dangerous spaceā would have sufficed.
The only use I have for dscan in high sec is hunting down NPC mining fleets.
You will not necessarily die without Dscan in null. If local is empty or has blue or green, you donāt need to scan every second of the day. If you simply dock up if a gray or red enters local, you donāt need to scan.
You donāt get that in WH. This is all I was getting at and Iām not the only player who thinks this way. All you have to do in null is watch local and the Intel channel. D-Scan isnāt needed in null. Useful? Sure. But players survive without it. Itās absolutely required in WH.
And hereās a scenario:
A frigate enters local and cloaks. you managed a DScan and determined that it wasnāt a threat. Then it decloaks beside you, scrams you and opens a Cyno. Suddenly a fleet of battleships is bearing down. Thatās why itās not worth relying on Dscan when all you have to do is watch local. When a stranger enters, dock up and youāre fine. Or watch intel and youāll see that Blops fleet jumping their way towards you. Dock up before they even arrive.
I donāt know why youāre being dramatic about this. D-Scan is only NEEDED in WH and POCH space.
To conclude that a covert frigate capable of lighting a covert cyno is ānot a threatā without checking the pilot for cyno skills is a big mistake.
If itās a Heron itās likely not a threat, but it depends on your ship whether a combat fit might pose a threat.
A Heron Navy Issue may be a threat as combat probing tackle for a group in the next system over, so at least watch your dscan for combat probes while you continue doing what you were doing.
A Buzzard is a huge threat unless you can verify that itās owner consistently uses Buzzards without cyno.
To stay in local with a covert cyno ship somewhere in system is a huge mistake unless you are baiting or are inside deadspace where you have time to get out if hostiles drop in system.
It is true you only need to dscan if you know thereās possible danger, but not always will you be in a position to dock up when hostiles are in system. And doing so can be a waste of time too.
People not only sit still in a single system in null sec. People also travel in null sec. As explorer you will take many gates and encounter systrms with hostiles.
Dscan is invaluable to check gates for smartbombers or bubble camps as you navigate null sec, or in low sec just smartbombers.
If you simply dock up (if that is even possible where you are!) any time you see hostiles you may not get anywhere.
Learn to use dscan, it helps you stay alive as you navigate through space.
Nobody is docking up just because a neut came into local except bots and the most Charmin-soft of nullbears.
I like how the framing of this scenario requires us to be extremely bad at the game right out of the gate. āSomething dangerous enters local. You managed a dscan and, tongue lolling out of your mouth like Odie from the Garfield comics, decide itās not dangerous after all.ā
What am I actually doing in space in this scenario? Most of what Iād be doing in null is going to be behind an acceleration gate. At a minimum, Iām going to see him scanning either the site or me, or at the absolute latest (if he had preemptively scanned the system down), Iāll see him decloak on the acceleration gate to come in. Am I afraid of a covops in deadspace? Not extremely, but if heās actually coming for me he could have a plan.
If youāre living in sov null, that guy has probably already been in your intel channels for three business days.
Youāre fine, and youāre also no longer playing, at least not in any meaningful way. Needless bedwetter behavior when thereās a decent chance whoever just came into local is going to fly right on through.
eta, just recalled this classic:
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Lie. Iāve read many posts both here and on Reddit from people who list that as a common practice in Null Sec. YOU donāt dock, but that in no way dictates the actions of everyone who plays Eve. Youāre not that important. You really arenāt. Youād have to go prove that all of them were and are lying for me to believe that youāre not a bold-faced liar.
Also, Iāve run all out of cookies to hand out for people who donāt dock up. Sorry.
I never once mentioned cartoon characters. I donāt know what posts youāre reading, but they arenāt mine. Try again.
I donāt even know what a Heron is besides a ship Iāve never flown. I donāt have all of this ā ā ā ā memorized. I suppose I could
D-Scanā¦
D-Scanā¦
D-Scanā¦
D-Scanā¦
See a ship, look it up, learn what it can and cannot do, determine whether itās a threat, return to the game, and see that Iām already podded.
Iām not even sorry that I have more things to do than study this stupid game during my free time. Itās much faster to just retreat into a safe location. This game is not required reading. I had enough of that ā ā ā ā in World of Warcraft and FFXIV doing mythic raiding and Mythic+ dungeons. āStand here during this phase- move out of this- move into this spot during this phase- stand in this fire, but donāt stand in that fire- hereās the weird thing you have to do during this mechanic- etcā¦ all in one fight. All to learn each boss like that to maximize your chances of bringing it down quickly only to forget about all of it when the next raid comes out. Iāve had my fill of that kind of content. Been there. Done that.
Local has no range, doesnāt have to be scanned in any particular direction, and is always instantly updated. AND the color indicator telling whether itās friend or foe requires no special skills to see.
See? I donāt even have to know all of the weird things about this game like the fact that Rapid Light Launchers and Heavy Missile Launchers are both medium launchers or what kind of ship a Heron is.
I feel like I mentioned the bots and the bears.
āJust dock upā is alright advice for players who are new or inexperienced or learned everything they know about the game from reddit comments they constantly cite as a primary source, but in most cases, thereās just no cause for it simply because one neut wandered into local. If you dock up every time that happens, youāre just going to waste a lot of that time you like to pretend is so dearly precious to you.
Are we really going to do this disingenuous claptrap where you pretend like you think I literally meant 100% of every last person? Please grow up.
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