I assume you looked at this characters zkill for that? Sadly I have alts, I hope you have an alt you play on too considering you’ve been inactive on this account is last October
But he complained that CCP does changes when Goon became involved in high-sec, not any null-sec alliance (even though goons are not involved at all)…
So, I think you’re conflating two things…
So, if you’ll look at the prior quotes I’ve indicated in this particular side-track, you’ll notice that theRaptor and Lebowski have consistetly referred to “Goons” (and TEST, which is what theRaptor means when he says “Goon pets”).
Horde is not Goons. Horde is not TEST. Gobbins’ hard-on for the hi-sec market money he never really made isn’t the same as ‘Goons getting involved’. The minutes he linked occurred after Horde got involved in HS, but before we did, which means he’s not wrong.
Actually, this hinders a large coalition’s ability to use logistics in highsec. Bastion members can’t rep Goons, TNT can’t rep LAWN, etc.
They’re really not.
The neutral logistics is not tied into war mechanics, if you rep while engaged and suspect your logi will get concorded.
So to answer your question, yes suspect baiting is dead now as well.
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Why ? … responsing to an older post.
if they weren’t profitable then you wouldn’t have entities like PH or test fighting to control them and you wouldn’t have groups like PIRAT, or VMG who based their entire contract economy around them. In what way are they not profitable? At this point more trade happens in peri than jita for most items like injectors or plex
Not to mention you posted my reasoning for conflating the two ideas… Which is that goons saw the writing on the wall after the PH campaign for fortizar hub control… Or do you expect me to believe the two are entirely coincidental?
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Limited engagements have no effect on whether you get a criminal flag, if all of the above three conditions apply, the penalty is concord. Otherwise, things work as before, so in most cases, suspect.
CORRECTION: providing remote assistance to a player in high sec who is currently in a limited engagement will be a criminal offence, regardless of their war status.
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Thanks for clarification. Then I propose to update the blog which states otherwise.
“The increased penalty for neutral targeted assistance will also apply to limited engagements (such as those caused by duels)”
This part of the dev blog is inconsistent with your reply.
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Why? Because anyone that actually engages in these mechanics put forward ideas and feedback yet none got taken note of, everything in this dev blog stinks of anti war and newbie protection.
What about simple locator fixes to show people in citadels instead of in space?
What about features or system to help mercenaries hunt again?
And all the other stuff we have been talking about for god knows how long.
Well, first off, ‘most items’ aren’t injectors or plex.
Second, the majority of PLEX orders are never going to sell. They’re there to make people think that that market hub is a credible place to sell PLEX. They’re owned by the cit owner, and they’ll pull them down and relist them. It’s actually pretty common.
Gobbins and TEST like to tout the amount of money they’re making, but if you look at the system index… it’s not hard to see that their claims are inflated. At this point, we are there primarily because we have a few hundred alpha clones staged there, using cheap-as-heck ships to piss off Horde. We’ve got more money than the Catholic Church, these days. Most of our wars are likely gonna be about hurting people for hate’s sake, not about economic gain. At least for a while.
As for why TEST is there… both to keep Horde from getting what income they were (as other income streams are under pressure from cloaky-camping, Horde needs that money more, even if it’s not really a lot of money), and because someone might as well take the money.
Heck, they were only going to use a Fortizar, but Matterall sold Vily that keepstar on the air on TiS an hour before it got anchored.
But again, it’s not about us ‘seeing the writing on the wall’. It’s about us wanting to hurt Pandemic Horde. Just like our recently-announced plan to rent out Period Basis at a loss is about hurting PanFam’s revenue stream. We can afford to lose a little money. They can’t afford to lose their income stream.
Sorry maybe I’m not explaining myself well.
“The increased penalty for neutral targeted assistance will also apply to limited engagements (such as those caused by duels)"
I’m essentially paraphrasing this section: whether you have a limited engagement with the target or not, the increased penalty (criminal flagging) applies.
CORRECTION: providing remote assistance to a player in high sec who is currently in a limited engagement will be a criminal offence, regardless of their war status.
Wrong. Goons first got involved in fighting over hisec during the 2017 Hakonen deployment where you killed Hordes backup trade hub. And as I was logi in those fights I very well remember we had to go suspect to rep our multi-alliance fleet. With the new mechanics Panfam would simply have not been able to take that fight.
Lol, implying TNT/LAWN/Bastion are relevant to Goons when you alone can form more in one fleet then the next 2-3 largest alliances. And my point was about very large corps/alliances vs a more diverse force. Groups like Goons, TAPI, and Horde can form fleets much larger then any other single alliance can form. With no coalition mechanic to allow mutual assistance that would make them almost unassailable in hisec by anyone else.
i’ll write some bigger post later. i think this is quite alright for various reasons!
Did you know you can offer to join wars?
But that wasn’t about highsec, it was about killing Horde during our Hakonen deployment. We weren’t there “because highsec” we were there “because Horde”. Otherwise, you could look at the 2009 Ice Interdiction and Hulkageddons and say ‘AH-HA! GOONS WERE IN HIGHSEC!’ Or, you know, MiniLuv.
But of course, pointing out that we’ve been doing this crap for 10 years doesn’t fit your narrative, does it?
Amazingly enough, even when the defender is open to allies, there isn’t an option for me to join.
It’s almost like I’m not able to join a war.
AND YOU STILL CAN’T REP THE GUYS YOU’RE ASSISTING!
You still are not explaining yourself.
I’ll try to simplify the question.
No war-dec
I’m suspect
Someone engages me resulting in a LE
I recieve remote reps.
Does the remote rep ship get concorded?
why not?