EVE Is Dangerous. Yeah Right

You are NOT clear. Asking for the end of piracy hisec would be better.

Your definition of ā€œ2 industrial corpsā€ as ā€œPVP playersā€ is a sleightā€¦:slight_smile:

You are totally aware of that :smiley:

Sorry, indus corps can have soldiers in their ranks. you are not clear. And thereā€™s nothing that can prevent a commercial war in the game. you can kill your competition haulers or attack their raitarus.

This is what agreements are aboutā€¦to make things clearā€¦the current situation shows 2 sidesā€¦the ones that see no need for changes because it would be inconviniend for them because they would have to adapt to a new situation and on the other hand those who are annoyed to be unnecessarily in danger the whole time they dock of.

The main question here must be ā€œis there a solution or are both sides stuckā€

I think the second point is the case so a decision by PA(not CCP) has to be made which side they will support in the future PVP(and ignore the change in the market) or PVE(and adapt to the market).

Time will tell

This is not possible in a sandbox game. Ok, well it is, but that restricted area of the game has to be inconsequential for the rest of the unified sandbox. When the premise of your game is Everyone vs. Everyone and everyones is open to interactions to each other, you canā€™t make a part of the game where those interactions only work one way without having significant impacts on the other parts of the game.

CCP cannot change this fundamental fact even if they wanted to. It is a core reality of the game. Sure, they can tweak some knobs and levers on how safe the safest zones are, but even that has effects on the larger game they have to be mindful of. You obviously want a safer zone for your newer/weaker/casual players, but you canā€™t have a safe zone, unless it has been nerfed into complete economic irrelevance.

Iā€™m not against a perfectly safe system. One where players canā€™t build, gather or even trade. I donā€™t think it adds very much value to the game though given we have safe NPC stations scattered all over New Eden. They could also pull a Trammel and open up a PvE server, where everything goes but PvP, keeping the economic impact of such a place isolated from the virtual world they are building, but that has downsides, like additional development costs and splitting the population.

So no. You will never get a PvP-free zone in Eve where you can live in safety but still do anything of economic value. Generations of safebears have been asking for this impossibility for almost decades now, wallowing in their sadness and having their plaintive begging ignored. You can ask nicely, threaten, point at made up financial numbers, or stomp your feet, but CCP canā€™t deliver this, probably not even if they wanted to now given how much development work it would take to morph their 15-year old PvP sandbox game into something else.

Eve will be what Eve is for the rest of its life at this point. Itā€™s far too late to try and reinvent it, or do the work necessary to make highsec into safesec without trashing the rest of the sandbox. If PA is looking to cash in the Eve IP via carebearification, they should step up efforts to make new games in the Eve universe that have broader appeal. Iā€™m sure with all the expertise on boarderline-predatory monetization the industry has developed in the last decade, there is room for a reimagining of Eve that might have a larger space for safebears.

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Yup that is a reason why I unsubscribed and Iā€™m waiting for the game to get fixed in order to subscribe again. :blush:

That was in CCPs time, now will be place for everyone, PVPers will they part of space and PVEers will hev their part of space, and PA will have subscriptions from ALL!

Yes it will be to attract money from people who want that kind of game.

Wrong, you should use PAST TENSE. :blush:

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and they will leave because they wonā€™t be able to achieve anything valuable compared to the null empires. Youā€™ll see the null empires flooding hisec markets with cheap ores and you wonā€™t have the possibility to destroy their freighters.

This wont go in Eve any more, now everyone is invited to join Eve and for anyone will be made the right environment.
Unlimited battles space for PVPers
Peaceful heaven for nonPVPers

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And if you want to be part of (EVE)community you will have to respect the rules.

Yes it can and it is very easy. :blush:

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You achieve Zen when you realise Eve is just a meaningless game with no consequences. ā€˜Dangerā€™ and ā€˜Eveā€™ in the same sentence is juvenilia at its worst. Effin hell. All these internet spaceship hardmen is beyond sad.

CCP can no more change how a sandbox game works than make the sun rise in the west.

They could turn Eve Online into a themepark game, or attempt to do so. Such a scheme would most likely result in failure after a huge amount of development effort. No sane game developer would attempt it or risk the significant value there still is in Eve on such a Hail Mary play.

Someday you might get your carebear consensual PvP game from PA/CCP, but it isnā€™t going to be some mutation of the current sandbox game, it will be something new. Eve Online is going to stay Eve Online, if out of inertia than anything else.

It was for last 15 years
and almost brought CCP to bankruptcy, now is the time for something new, something that brings profit.

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You mean rmt and botting? CCP are all over it.

Yeah, and that isnā€™t going to be had sinking a bunch of real money into a game whose development started almost 20 years ago. If PA wants to realize more profit from the Eve IP, they are going to invest in new, modern games not burdened by so much legacy code.

Eve will be milked for years more, largely as it is. If PA sees the opportunity for a larger market share, they are going build new PvE games set in New Eden, rather than risk a successful game on such a risky Frankenstein project.

But I donā€™t even see why you think they will do that. PAā€™s most successful game is a PvP sandbox game like Eve Online. Itā€™s seems more likely theyā€™ll stick mostly to their PvP focus with their new games than try to become a AAA developer of PvE scripted content.

Whatever man. You can wish for something as hard as you want, but it isnā€™t going to make it happen. I suggest you spend this time you waste on the Eve Online forums finding a new game that suits you better. If you by some miracle get your wish, and Eve turns magically into a consensual-PvP themepark MMO that people actually play in 2020, you can always come back.

The real negative for Eve is the official forum. How many times have we all been banned for stating facts and having to rejoin with new alts? Does Hillary Clinton own CCP?

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It is immensely interesting to me to watch this transition primarily because Eveā€™s echoes the primary product and Eveā€™s online is sidekick following it from a distance. I can not describe how much I am entertained by these Eve online fanboys who think they are still important and are the center of the universe.

Back on topic, Eve echoes are primary product now because of size of Asian mobile market. Eve Online will have to follow the lead and adopt to it because of Serenity. At the end of the day Tranquility will follow Serenity. :blush: