dont u think retribution and wolf missing a mid slot. specially recrtibution is a cap heavy ship… i think it will be nice to look into it little more plz
It’s kind of a catch 22, because they have only 2 mid’s they are forced to kite, but kiting ships have no use for a utility high slot as that’s usually for brawling but if that 5th is moved to med’s it can brawl again and use the utility haha, but yea id rather retri and wolf -1 high + 1 med, as currently its a waste of a slot which is not fair at all.
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I don’t know man, it seems like they got so much done in that year. They have few stat changes to AFs and they are adding a new module to the game! #ThanksFozzie
This is actually absurd though… The amount of time and number of announcements about the HAC balance pass and this is it? Literally nothing? HACs need a serious balance pass (and buffs) to find a place in the game. The direct quote from CCP Rise is “We didn’t have time”?
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It will probably have a 2nd balance pass in a month or 2 when people have tested the ships on TQ or maybe some ships (jag) wont be used and changed in 5 years who knows
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PLease tell us the muninn is getting a 4th mid please please please!
It doesnt have the PG to be an armor hac with arty, but it can with a shield setup, even dropping a low for a mid would be neat (DOESNT NEED IT THOUGH PLZ)
+1 mid to Muninn please CPP!
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The moment you realize that a dam assault frig has more mid slots that a KRONOS.
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kronos is an armor ship thou?
I wouldn’t be surprised If ccp went and gave the muninn -1 mid +1 low and made it useless for solo and only fleet ship and made vagabond missile ship with crappy damage, but then I’d probably give up on minimatar and just roll gallente since it gets tons of love.
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I really hope they dont push the muninn to be an armor ship. I guess it would be more reasonable if they gave it more damage, since currently as an armor ship with a decent fit it has 240dps with EMP. If you gimp the tank you can get it closer to 400, but paper thin, might as well go the BL version of the muninn at that point.
I don’t understand why we even have armor ships our fleet boosts are shield and our theme is speed and armor just reduces speed sigh I just don’t know anymore.
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yeah that never made sense to me, Minmatar are the only race that have viable ships to tank both armor and shield, and dont even get the command ship for the bonus. The exception to this is the Loki gets a bonus to armor links.
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True didn’t think of the loki bonus, must be hell for new bro’s trying to learn mini, not being able to specialize.
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The Paladin also has 4 mids
@CCP_Rise This is what new bro’s see when they pick the mini race, then they go hell yea I want to be a great pvp pilot so ill focus my training on shield and Auto’s and speed, then they realize that that only includes really a t1 slasher and with these changes no AF that matches, and probably soon for HAC as well sad day for minimatar
Please stick to the theme CCP for at least 1 of the 2 AF/HAC, maybe make the wolf shield/auto or turn the wolf into the missile ship and give the jag +1 turret and falloff (and maybe one of the 5% damage to shield hp if you feel you still don’t want its dps too high) and muninn shield/missile. We already have amarr/gal which are heavy into armor.
P.S. I know iv been complaining like crazy for assault frigs recently but they are my favorite solo ships in the game, even when T3D’s came out I felt like I needed to honor my assault frigs and see if I could kill a T3D, which ended badly lol, so yea.
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Wow, just read this now, didnt you guys look into this 2 years ago?
I dont want to sound critical, but a non-action is worse than a bad one.
Just look into the root issue of HAC’s, just about all of them have HORRIBLE fitting. Its a tech 2 ship, its supposed to be a sophisticated upgrade from a T1.
Why is it that Deimos with rails, 1600mm plate and a 50mn MWD has to fit Ancils?!
Why not give all Hacs a bonus to “cruiser sized” tank mods.
800mm plates give double the armor (basically fitting of 800mm, tank of 1600mm)
all Medium shield extenders (Cruiser sized) get 130% shield HP (Gives them similar EHP to LSE)
You just unlocked so many new HAC’s to become viable.
Holy crap Beam Zealots with MWD + 800MM plate that doesnt need ancils like the 1600mm ones did, now they can get near 100kehp, instead of 65kehp.
Little changes like these. You make them, put them into action, then see how it plays out in a couple months
“Well, looks like super brick tanked Ishtars are pretty disgusting as an armor platform, maybe it should get a hit to its base stats to put it in line with the other armor hacs”
We as a community are ok with little changes here and there, its way better then 2 years of group of ships deemed mostly usless with the exception to the Cerb since for some reason you gave it more than enough CPU and PG to fit it anyway you want other than overpropping.
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Having the wolf get missiles and keeping Jag as projectile would have been better… The quicker of the two keeps projectile, something that to a degree lowers its own application compared to its brother, while if it had missiles it could go freaking light speed and still apply the same… oh well, RIP Jag
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Bring back the 15KM/s Vagabonds and Nano Phoons!
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Id settle with a vagabond that isn’t 108th best ship in eve on zkill 
https://zkillboard.com/ship/11999/
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I’d be ok with this, provided it kept in the spirit of the traditional racial bonuses. Gal and Min generally get active tank bonuses, for instance.
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the Slasher doesnt count on that one? of course its a tackler but it has the space to do shield and autocannons at the same time. and its the fastest compared to the Breacher or the Rifter.
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