If any of you guys have this set to Watching, I have linked this FW Rountable announcement. Give that thread some bumps. Cheers.
Round table recording linked here.
Roundtable breakdown. Some things I couldn’t hear. Forgive some bias. Add anything you feel I missed.
Had 2 minutes spare, have a wordcloud of this thread in the shape of a rocket. Yes I forgot to remove the reply button on each post from the word count. I am bad and feel bad.
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Plex!
Although we go about citadels, missions, farmers and a variety of other subjects. It seems that getting the plex mechanic right would be a good place to start.
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The system needs a good long term incentives / targets to trigger loyalty to faction and give a real arc to players in this area of operations.
Replace the current raking system with a combat and VP acquired mechanism. The Militia elite should have killed hundreds of enemies. Add a rank full reset on immediate leaving militia or at least on joining of another militia.
Rework the LP Store so it is more reward for risk not reward for grind. Put new items in like Faction Tech II ammo and Faction Tech II guns / weapons (how about an Imperial Navy Tech II Giga Laser?).
Make the most high value and sort after items in the new LP store have a purchase requirement that includes a high Militia (new version) rank.
Create conflict drivers. More locations in space to attack and fight. Why not have hard points on the i-hubs that are directly linked to the system rank and have them as valid targets of aggression. LP pays for them. DPS removes them (not afk plexxing).
Make system rank bonus’s mean significant value through bonus’s and discounts so they’re worth fighting for.
Citadels need to be linked into the FW mechanism.
Still not seen the suspect status for entering a FW complex… Why was this not done?
Flatten the bonus’s on the tier system. Seriously they’re over the top. Do not penalise Tier 1 Militia. It makes no sense to discourage capsuleers from joining or fighting for the losing side.
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I don’t think stabs should be restricted in the militia. This would just make it impossible for newbies and alphas to farm LP. This isn’t a personal killmail factory for solo nerds…
If they don’t want to fight, chase them off, be content with that.
Exactly how would removing stabs make it impossible for Alpha’s / New Players?
If they don’t want to fight they can watch dscan and warp off like everyone else does. Stabs are not needed for this.
This is faction warfare not faction semi-afk farmfare
Truth has been spoken. This is how I learned it when I started - not once did I go farm plexes with warp stabs. And if a scrub like me can do it, so can the rest.
I don’t agree, there’s too much stuff to learn about aligning, warp core stabs are a necessary training tool in the beginning. And it doesn’t make any sense to restrict them. I like Eve to be realistic, the only way you could get rid of warp core stabs is if both sides of the conflict agreed, through Concord that they would not be used.
There are ways to lock down a stabbed ship, if I scrub like me can do it, then, well…
By bringing in instalock Navy Mauluses with faction scrams, perhaps? And even that won’t stop a 5x stabbed Punisher for one example, I believe. Warp core stabs are a crutch, and a bad habit that just poisons your learning for later, forcing you to take off the training wheels after you’ve gotten used to them and it will see you die painfully when you aren’t being careful like you would be if in the first place you didn’t just assume that even if someone jumped you, you could just leisurely warp away with no intention of ever fighting anything whatsoever.
I make billions from FW, so it seems fine to me.
I think a simple fix to limit L.P. purchases in the L.P. store that discourages farmers of plexes would reduce the number of them in the FW area.
Farmers thrive on no conflict plexing. Make fighting a requirement to earn certain ranks to access higher tier L.P. store items. For example, limit no rank militia to buy only faction ammo with their L.P. or low grade hardwiring. So even if they farm 100k L.P., they can only buy ammo with it and have no access to buy ships.
The more isk value in kills they accumulate over a certain period, the higher ranks they unlock over time which gives them more access to the L.P. store. Make the rank activity/time based to make the access not permanent. Means players can’t exploit the mechanic by sacrificing a few insured battleship to unlock their ranks. This will make the constant PVPers have full access and maybe give it to mission runners as well. Since these two are the real FW content.
This access still allow PVPers to still earn L.P. that they can spend if they get no fights in a plex. New militia members still need to get some kills in to be able to spend their L.P. they earn in plexes. And farmers who just do defensive plexing can earn as much L.P. as they like but don’t get to spend it on big ticket items other than the common faction ammo or hardwirings.
Which again seriously punishes new players.
Because guess what, if you don’t have all of your fitting skills and AWU V and whatnot, putting a credible fit on a T1 frigate is impossible. Much less what they are losing to T1 guns.
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Protect a new player from what exactly? PVP?
As far as I am concerned, joining FW is for PVP. Just because they are new isn’t an excuse for them to get rewards without risks.
They wanna earn and cash out, they need to fight or do missions in low sec for their faction.
FW should be treated like RvB except with rewards.
They want to earn some isk, just farm L.P. and turn them in for faction ammo. They don’t get great margins but it’s still low effort isk.
Wanna earn more? Join the real fight, kill other faction players, earn your rank and get access to better items in the L.P. store.
Yeah great, so exactly how does a newbie in a t1 fit frigate compete with my 104mil SP?
They don’t
Dude even came back after I pasted him the first time. Good sport I guess? He didn’t do anything wrong per se beyond bad target selection, he wasn’t fast enough to run me down, much less apply any meaningful DPS.
They don’t need to 1v1. All newbies don’t need to 1v1.
Why should they? They should join corps and start fleets with others. Go roaming etc. Get in some kills etc.
You are using one situation to justify your arguments. But the truth is they don’t need to fight every fight. Even pro PVPers know when to fight or flight.
They still can be useful in a fleet. They still can PVP. They still can shoot at iHubs. Take plexes in small fleets. Do missions.
So again.
How are they supposed to be stay in ships? Unless they find a corp that will give them hulls (mine actually does) its expensive, and since LP is the primary form of payment for the activity.
You are punishing the new bros.
Punishing? More like rewarding based on effort.
FW allows players to stay in Ventures to plex and let them get all the same rewards as other players that are actually making an effort in FW. How is that fair? For this reason alone, you have all the farmers coming in to do defensive plexes. They don’t even need to fire at the NPC.
I am suggesting limiting the L.P. store access to reward those that deserve it. Farmers can still earn L.P., but they can’t spend it efficiently. Making it undesirable to continue this kind of gameplay. Some will still farm but majority will probably find it not worth the effort just to buy faction ammo.
New players can still earn the L.P., it doesn’t diminish. They can still cash out on ammo. But if they keep fighting and getting kills and increasing their rank, then they get better and better access to the store.
Eventually all players who join and fight will get access as long as their effort doesn’t stop. This makes all long term active FW players have full access. And those that only come in to earn L.P. by plexing with Ventures go back with ammo for their efforts.