The Ancient Greek notion of phobos, is wider than its direct translation in modern English. I can expand on that, but it involves complex philosophy.
Anyways, sinophobia is a more accurate term for anti-Chinese sentiments, than racism, as “Chinese” is not a race.
The one who brought Chinese to the thread was you, not me. Also, there’s a big foreign world outside of your country, and in that world, SJW are not a thing. The code words for some national realities are useless for the realities of other nations.
You wanted a more accurate word.
I provided you with one, the definition of which perfectly fits what you are trying to address.
I was talking about the concept of SJW, which is pretty specific to how US reactionaries talk about US progressives.
The funny thing here is that I agree that Chinese players often display toxic behavior in online gaming for many different reasons, and none of them is related to their ethnicity or nationality. Being born Chinese doesn’t turns you into a toxic player, but toxicity is a consequence of how Chinese players fit into worlwide online gaming. Some people more knowledgeable than me have pointed that it’s somehwat related to the Chinese concept of “face”, but here would be going off topic, off rails and off orbit…
lol, play the game you scrubs
In the link, “Results of 2017 BBC World Service poll. Views of China’s influence by country” shows the USA at a 70% negative view.
I suppose its therefore no surprise the reaction here by US citizens would align with that. Whether that view is justified in the USA/China context is something each can decide for themselves.
This paradigm is global, as is the internet, as is ideological conflict between so called liberals and conservatives.
As to the term “SJW”, iirc it was coined by liberals themselves at first, for themselves. Only later was it co-opted and turned into a satirical irony against them.
Yes, just SJW is part of the US code words for it, and that guy probably is an USAmerican who thinks everyone that looks like a SJW, is a SJW. 
In my experience its almost always true, also here in Finland.
Not that I mind fighting for social justice/equality, I am a firm egalitarian. But there is too often hypocrisy/false data/false equivalency (whether they are aware of it or not) involved for my own admittedly cynical/critical worldview.
Not completely. “Phobia” means to be afraid of something. In the context of a slur, calling the slurrer a *phobic, excuses what they do with the explanation they are afraid. The difference is quite simple: fear vs. spreading slurs.
You say “racism is innaccurate, as there is no “chinese race””. Not true. The image of “race” is created by the racist, there is no need for this lie to actually be true in order for it to be racist. Otherwise, you basically say that racism doesn’t exist.
As @Yiole_Gionglao said, “racism” is the practise to construct a stone-chiseled image of a group of people, where the racist pretends that everyone in that group shares a number of attributes. In this case, the construction that “Chinese” are a group who would all bot. It also has the effect to create an “own” group, which of course is innocent/honest/blabla. This kind of creating, wrongfully attributing and debasing groups is exactly what Racism is.
Now let’s continue with the topic.
The only problem with someone calling themselves social justice warrior is if they are not actually warriors for social justice. Actually it was a very small amount of people calling themselves like this and it certainly weren’t liberals. Liberals may be against certain forms of discrimination, but they certainly are not supporters of social justice - they support the division in poor and rich through exploitation.
So if someone wants to call themselves social justice warrior and actually is a warrior, I support that. It’s certainly better than any useless person who does nothing to make society worth living.
SJW is only a term used by right wing provokers now. (And the people who let right wing provokers dictate discussion by using their terms)
Liberals who behave weird, defensive and declare themselves victims of everything, are not fighting for social justice, they are certainly not warriors. The lies told by liberals certainly need to be called out, more now than ever. But calling them SJW is the wrong way, because it plays in the hand of the wrong movement and it is also not true. It just debases the idea of justice itself.
The negative sentiment was directed at Chinese culture as the issuer perceives it, not race (nor is there a Chinese race).
You are confusing “sinophobia” here, with clinical terminology of phobias, as a psychiatrically irrational fear of X.
Sinophobia is the accurate term for this, per the definition I sourced and linked previously, not racism. Whether it is justified/rational, depends on context and whom you ask.
As in the study in the link from 2017 by BBC, 70% of USA citizens have a negative view of Chinese influence abroad.
Please read thread before posting.
We already went over this in your absence.
Please do. I’m curious how you’ll try to tell the story of Ilias in a way that eradicates “fear” from the concept.
It does not matter wether such untrue generalizations are made against “culture” (which is just another such cloudy term that can be used to critisize/excuse everything) or any biological definition of “race”. It’s racism nonetheless. Had he purely had the intent to state that botting was a problem on the Chinese server, he would not have needed to go against all of Chinese palyers. Heck, it was Chinese players who first came out about it and said that there is a problem.
No, that’s exactly what you are doing. You confuse phobias with stereotyping. Phobia is not the correct word for negatively stereotyping and debasing huge groups of people.
Every word has a wikipedia entry, well almost. It doesn’t mean it would be true. Generations of philosophs will disagree with you on the idea of Sinophobia being anything but an excuse for racism.
Which most of them don’t even know the slighest thing about. It is just creating an image of the other in order to then debase that assumed image. Next step is of course to act on that. It’s racism. Call it phobia and you just excuse the people who do it.
Ancient Greeks coined “phobos” as fear of that which is unknown, as a rational reaction. That which you do not know or understand, you cannot act upon rationally, whether that unknown is within or without.
Racism is another thing entirely.
Read the definition of sinophobia I quoted above and tell me that is not perfect for this instance.
That’s not how I know Greek mythology. “Phobos” is a god and brother of “Deimos” (Terror) and they always appear in the context of war, not as the fear of the unknown. If you have any sources that show otherwise, please show them.
The issue is not with the definition you attribute to a word. The definition might fit. Does the word you give this attribute to has another meaning though? Yes it does, phobia means fear, as shown above.
If I define “bread” as “metallic object with 4 tires that can move at high speed”, I could also argue that an Audi is “bread”, which is not true.
If we want to use “Sinophobia” than this would have to have a different base, a base where we can clearly see that someone is subjectively afraid (with or without reason wouldn’t matter).
You can of course also have both at the same time. “Sinophobia” and racism could both be included in the same statement, but that doesn’t mean we should explain one with the other.
Pointing the finger at one group and stating “they are cheaters” clearly indicates the assumption that the own group is better, superior.
Anyhow, waiting for the discussion about Greek terms, because it’s actually more interesting than continued talk about China.
Anti-Chinese sentiment, Sinophobia (from Late Latin Sinae “China” and Greek φόβος, phobos, “fear”), or Chinophobia is a sentiment against China, its people, overseas Chinese, or Chinese culture.
Do you disagree with this definition?
This definition cleverly hides that it is circle logic. “Sentiment” is used as a substitute for “fear” here. In the end this definition may be a definition of “Sinophobia”, but it certainly does not fit racism against Chinese, because it pretends that there would be a “feeling(sentiment)” that explains this, rather than a deliberate political propaganda against China and Chinese, that leads to people believing (not feeling) that they should debase the Chinese.
No, it’s not, there are no different human races (and even beyond that race is a questionable concept). Are you implying that racism would care for a scientific base? Do you think racism is rational?
Do you think only the specific mentioning of the word “race” can make a statement racist? Do you think that racism doesn’t exist, because “races” don’t?
Racism or phobias may not be rational, but language is (or should be).
There is no Recovering this one. Closed.