Keeping PvE players in EVE

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Do you remember what I was doing in UF-KKH? It seems you do not? Though it has been eleven years so you might have forgotten. I was doing this with several players who were -10 to me in system, who actively tried to hunt me.

Let me remind you what I was doing, I was using a drake, a battlecruiser, I made multiple book marks around each asteroid belt, including multiple observation BM’s. From that I could assess the location of the rats in relation to my BM’s and warp to the appropriate one and align to one of my many safe’s pulling them towards me, this made it very difficult for hunters, most of which were solo. I would come in from different angles and always at range from my BM’s, so they had no way to place a cloaky to nab me as I arrived.

To destroy the top level Sansha BS you needed over 200 DPS, anything less and the regen was too much. Also you had to be able to tank them too, this is why the range nerf screwed up the drake, though the Ceberus does it very well now and has much greater range.

I remember you observing what I was doing and copying me, so I I don’t know why you call me rigid on this?

My point is that hunters have had it made easier for them, that is the point of my post. The balance was tilted more and more towards hunters so that they could get the kills even from people like me and you, who know what they are doing. The D-scan was to note incoming and probes, I only had one account at the time.

There is no need to make a snide comment about rigid when you started doing this after you saw me doing it. And this is why I had a following by the way, because I was thinking things through and explaining it to people.

As I said CCP have decided to make it easier and easier for player killers, and that does not keep PVE players in the game, sorry if saying that hurts, but that is the truth, people do not want to be easy kill patsies, and I repeat that. That you are willing to wait around cloaked for AFK cloaky campers to get bored is a testament to how hardcore you are about this game, but the majority of players including myself cannot go to your level.

They want to do something, not sit around waiting for a chance to do something…, which is why Eve will have issues in keeping PvE players at this point.

This is excellent news by the way:

Funny enough it was something I suggested and linking its effect to the time that the cloak was last activated is perfect, well done CCP.

If this thing actually goes live I will likely come back to Eve and set up in Stain.

499

Calm down multi-boxing ganker.

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500

I was doing this long before you came to Stain. You came down Just after I fell out with Logicfx. I was doing this years before you. Here is some proof:

https://oldforums.eveonline.com/default.asp?a=topic&threadID=1125673&page=10

If you read post 276 dated 2009/Sept/07 - 15:14:00 very carefully you will see that I was in-fact employing the same tactic you say you showed me… Since you were born on 2009/July/08 - 12:22 you would have only been 2 months old at this point and still in Hi sec.

So yes once you got your following you seem to want to type falsehoods to keep them believing you, You seem to be a manipulator to be honest, why is it so hard for you to admit that it was infact me who showed you this tactic? You choose to tell falsehoods and manipulate people just to reinforce your claims, people listen to you and others like you and get the wrong impression of the game.

I’m very disappointed you’re like this, you yourself don’t even realise your potential to do better in Eve.

501

That is not the same thing Aaron. There is nothing there about the multiple BM’s around the belts which is what you learned from me. I remember reading that thread before I came to Stain so I was aware what you had done, but you only started to set up multiple book marks in a very structured way around belts after you saw me doing it. It is a shame that you cannot acknowledge that, but whatever.

PS I did better by the way :stuck_out_tongue:

PPS I was there before you fell out with Logicfx.

502

So even after reading this quoted from the old old forum you still can’t see that a strong part of my tactic was in-fact warping in approx 100km from the belts 0km? This is what I promoted to all players coming here long before you came here.

Why would I need to mention exact details about how I do something? It obvious I was 85km away from 0km belt warp in and it is obvious that I had purposely done this in order to make it harder for hunters to attack us. Why are you trying to take credit for something you didn’t come up with? Is it to manipulate people to get them thinking you are right and everyone else you debate/disagree with is wrong?

503

I was talking about the systematic bookmarking around the belts, but you can’t acknowledge that. Whatever…

The weakness you had was was that you could be caught by observed warp ins, I understood this and set up to counter that so people coming after us found it very difficult to set up a trap on the most vulnerable point which is when you warp in. As I said it is a shame that you misunderstand the point I was making. What you did there was great and brilliant strategy and tactics, it is why I respected you.

Think about that 85 km range now and how that has been impacted by the warp in speed of interceptors and the bonused points that they were given after this golden age.

504

There’s me thinking you’ve changed but you’re just the same old, you always have to get people thinking how you want them to. You did the same thing back in the day with hub zero. You never stopped to consider how your constant going on affects the game. No wonder new pilots stopped coming to stain, they listened to folks like you.

505

Pity that you are now back to attacking me when I detailed where you misunderstand what I said, you could not acknowledge it could you, and this is the type of behaviour why I and many others fell out with you, but it was me of course…

But what do you think about these observatory’s, I would appreciate your thoughts on them in terms of what you do in Stain.

506

85km is still a very good start even in 2021 if you’re already aligned and poised to click warp while using F1 to fire at the last few rats.

More ■■■■■■■■ to cover your original ■■■■■■■■.

507

But not when you warp in.

508

I remember back when you two started this bickering. It’s been at least half a decade.

Might be time to agree to disagree and buy each other a beer.

Edit: More like a full decade. I just looked up when I sold the character I used to join your little group in Stain. 2010/04/05

Mr Epeen :sunglasses:

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Sadly it is the thing that he accuses me of, you will notice above that I indicated my respect for him and how he played, and acknowledge his hard core play. But he can never do the same for me, he had to be the one who gained all the respect because he was a 2003 player and all that.

We fell out because he had to be the boss and undermine anyone who threatened that position, and it was not just me that had this happen to them in Hub Zero. Which is why it failed, still he really gave it a damn good go and I gained a lot from that period in Stain. I still respect him.

I still remember his laugh and his eagerness when we had some victories, great times…

PS Who were you?

510

At least I can admit where I went wrong and properly own it. You will never be able to do this. Have fun promoting falsehoods and manipulating people.

511

If only, then you would be the leader your ability and tenacity deserved.

But what are your thoughts on this observatory?

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It didn’t. ITS ALIVE!!!

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And this is what I mean by rigid, many insisted on using the system with station in it to rat, once a few of us started using frigates/destroyers to travel to other systems they found it hard to get a point on us because we used gate crashing and made them uncloak and move around more which they were uncomfortable with.

Obviously the hunter will catch on eventually to what was being done and just wait either 100km below or above a belt for us to warp in, this actually happened a few times and the hunters ended up losing more than us after they had put in so much effot to catch us.

514

If you directly warp to the first belt in the list from the station, but I had BM’s on the other sides of the system which I warped too first. The approach I used made it really difficult for the hunter to get even close to my initial warp in. It sort of still works now, but the vulnerability is much greater due to game changes and the room for error reduced.

But what are your thoughts on the observatory?

515

I’m just a guy, I get things wrong like most others do. you should just admit that you’re no longer bothered cos things can’t be the way you like it which is easier for you, there is nothing wrong with the game, yes it is hard and a challenge,

I only wanted to show people the truth about the game, If I was hell bent on leading I would have insisted people joined my corp which I never did.

516

We all get things wrong. What I am talking about is that CCP made it easier and easier to catch people. In truth it was a great game for what you were doing in 2010. But the reason why people don’t do it now is that the balance is too great against them now and they got used to excessive rewards, which hopefully have changed now.

I don’t remember Hub Zero being limited to one corp, it was mean t to be a loose group, but I joined your corp and enjoyed it. But I am very interested on your thoughts about the observatory. I tend to use the safe logout when I can, as I have had my ship mysteriously decloak a couple of times, I never trust it.

517

It’s a good idea as it will only affect afk cloaky ships, people have strong criticism for other afk types of gameplay so it’s only fair that criticism extends to afk cloaky camping.

Personally I never have any problem with afk cloakies, I just move system or play on another alt.