KVN-36 Node Death - 2020/08/21

You actually dont (or wont/can’t?) read (properly) what other people are writing , do you?
Sorry to see that. Perhaps professional help or training or something will help.

But I’m sorry - we really stopped inventing other peoples arguments after high-school.

including obtuse overt or “covert” extrapolations.

so ye I’ll leave you to it as well.
Was trying to for several posts there to get you in on it - finally did. Nice.

And yeah, thanks. Good luck to you too. Have a fine day.

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the solution is , 24 hrs or 48hrs after the timer started, the Keepstar is put into the same position as when the server crashed. Fair chance for everyone to resume the fight

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HTFU? I did. And will continue to do so.

Now HTFN (Node)

Are you going to threaten car manufacturers that people will stop buying cars because they don’t fly or even work over the water? That’s about the same level of demand as what you are demanding of CCP.

There are real technological and compute limitations in EVE that nobody can do anything about. There will always be limits and it is up to the players to work inside those limits. Imperium had to do it when we attacked PANFAM keepstars and now the tables are turned and you will have to do it.

I realise that it is not as nice as the usual idea of elitepvper where 50 bombers drop a single ship and claim superior skills afterwards but that’s your problem and not CCPs problems. Server capabilities are just another thing to keep in mind when planning and executing attacks. If stupid goonies can do it then it should be possible for the bestest of the bestest elite pvpers…

Hahahaha. When we were attacking PANFAM keepstars and had the exact same issue then it was “working as intended, adapt you stupid goonies”.
Are you implying that PANFAM and pets are too stupid to adapt to something that even we managed to adapt to and work with or is it the usual self entitled “devs should give me free kills with no effort on my part because I’m the most important snowflake in the universe”?

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u just need to suck up and accept what happened already salty boiii

Gotta love, how players still dump 2500+ people into single system with AoE effects fitted that cause several billions of updates each server tick, yet somehow expect the node will ignore the laws of thermodynamics and not crash.
Even NASA or military tech would not be able to handle that stuff, get real…

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Not from me, I want this fixed for all sides. This goes beyond some silly corp/alliance allegiance. The quality of the product is poor when it comes to end game sov null battles - which happens to where an area where Eve has garnered so much press… Not a good look.

Think of the big picture ma dude!

It can not be fixed. We can load the servers more than they can handle and there is no solution other than players actually considering TiDi and the load in their plans.

Your tears are wow! funny how you complain about goons now but can you show us were are your complains when this happend to goons and when all the north put alot of tactis for crash the nods when goons was at war in the north?

So yeah stop been so pathetic…

Are you suggesting it’s acceptable to people to continue the war for months, grinding or trying to grind keepstars and have the server nodes crash time and time again at 2700-3k players?

As to the car manufacturers analogy - no one needs to threaten, Companies like Ford made too crappy automobiles and people stopped buying them - their pickups and trucks are whats left according to those who follow the car industry - but the analogy stops there (if there ever was one).

In the case of cars we have almost limitless options - when it comes to EVE we have NO other option.
We have to hope and pray and beg for CCP to fix issues we feel are “burning”.

That was the whole point or majority of the incentive for the CSM institution I would have thought, was it not? But here we’re facing a problem where many of you (probably correctly) state that the problem cannot be fixed at hardware level, CCP’s previous statements on this topic states that they will do nothing to correct the outcome of server node crash related issues - and so we are left hoping that they will one day budge on the timer-time issue, since we all know this will not be the last time a server crashes.

So as long as CCP refuses to even TRY to rectify the situation at the proper level by at least increasing the timer or something , and a fix or the problem cant be solved or any obvious flaw and fault can be found anywhere else - then this current war will at some point grind to a complete halt, stop entirely - and thousands of players will be pretty pissed off.

And yea, they will probably wish to show their displeasure and create some consequence for CCP IF they cannot get their problems fixed or improved - that’s simply a basic human craving.
And so as anyone can see - the ONLY way they can send CCP a message that actually has any kind of real impact on CCP will be to cancel a subscription or two for a month or whatever.

It’s not even a hard thing to do or unreasonable - most of us have gone on holiday or something or several times during the past years forgotten to renew an alt or two in the process - but If players get series of incentives to do it to show their displeasure - and still get the feeling nothing is done to rectify a problem even though there are easy solutions available…

So ok, scream “threats” all you want - the conclusion here is simple pure logic and basic human behavior - if you leave people no other option and no other outlet for their frustration, why would you
be surprised or condescending of their choice of response?

It’s as laughable to be condescending of a specific type of response as it is to not expect it when you yourself have made absolutely CERTAIN you will get them.

So your assumption / interpretation that I’ve “threatened” with anything is just that: convenient but obtuse strawman usage - I havent - I’ve just stated simple fact - piss people off long enough and you will probably get some results, and limit their access to respond down to a single avenue, and thats what you get. btw - According to some blackout made more people leave/unsub than CCP had anticipated - at any rate we saw a lot of attempts at inticing people back afterwards. Do we really need to revisit all of that all over again? Does CCP really actually need to loose money for months every time before they fix problems that so directly impact gameplay, storylines, etc ?

I mean - EVERYONE can see that if this keeps happening more than once or twice more - the whole war will stop! People will not bother playing in the war anymore if their victories are literally STOLEN from them under their noses after tons and tons of hours and effort have been laid down just to get to the fights. Not to mention the real aggravation people who only have limited timeslots to play etc. will feel.

But yea - like my previous antagonist/opponent in here - you too are probably in no shortage of finding people who will pretend you’re somehow in the right and I’m somehow just silly that doesn’t just accept that now all of a sudden just a few thousand can crash the server, even if Ive been playing since Saranen, M-OEE and all the others that didnt crash and didnt save any Keepstar so it’s a lesson in futility trying to argue something logical here - the human need to smear and ridicule is way stronger than their drive and craving for logic, sanity or anything close to rational analysis.

So yeah, “Uncle”, I give up - I’m probably just a childish “pubbie” that “threatened” to unsub an account".

Sure , I should just start enjoying server crashes, losing all Keepstar fights where I join the attacking side, and accepting that the server nodes will crash every time we pass 2900 in system.

That’s how you suppose EVE will gain popularity and strength economically from now on is it?

If CCP is anywhere close to you in their analysis, I truly fear for the next 5 -10 years and immediate future of this great game.

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The problem is not hardware but software. A nice multi-threaded event queue is the path to scalability.

I think you mean is the path to constant desyncs.
Multi threading is not magic. They already do split out what can be. But at a certain level.you spend more cpu splitting processes out and trying to keep them in order than you save by splitting them out in the first place.

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:joy:behave

So CCP shouldn’t allow it, or limit it or remove from game completely then. You can’t tell people not use something when it exists in game use it. Its not the players fault here its the software and hardware.
Next you’ll be saying dont fire tons of missiles or guns, dont have hardners on, dont have links bursting, dont use drones or fighters etc …i mean cmon…

it helps when CCP are informed of large fleet engagements so they can prepare to reinforce the node…

The node died with only 2300 in local !!!

Why would defenders losing a structure give up and help the enemy get a juicy killmail if there are ways to save it like say … crash the node ?

I don’t know if Goons/Imperium where responsible for the node death or not but if they where I can certainly see why they did it.

The ability to destroy 100 BS with only one Burst Jammer II is AMUSING!