Ask yourself that.
Wow, why do you have to trash every single thread with your pedantic posting man?
Projecting again.
If I had by way, Id remove all 3rd party platforms from mining EVE data.
No killboard, no market watch, no dotlan.
Someone should make an animated gif of a stamp being applied that says “salvoshed”. 
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Can you explain this a bit more in depth?
Do you mean Zkill “tracks” your online times, because when you appear in a killmail, it is clear that you have been online? Or do you mean they actually track your online time and if so - how? The only way I see this happening, is if you are being logged in to their site and/or allowing them access to sensitive information that is protected by authentication measures. If so, it would lead to the question of wether or not they’ve properly informed you about what they are doing with the data or not.
So, what do you mean?
No he was saying that some consultant who probably wanted or did sell him some tech told him its working. That is something completely different.
The consultant wasnt selling anything except his expertise to inform staff of developments in the field.
i guess the US can change the law but it will not effect zKill or EU or others arround EVE
why?
oh because the law will be about your personal data … yours … not your chars … if the law changes it will be about real persons data not ingame data about fictional characters …
so nothing to worry about for you or others … zKill will never get and never got any data about real life persons … its all about fictional game characters
so everything is good
JuuR
The line drawn in water between the two is increasingly vague and unclear, leading to them bleeding into each other.
IT giants, and govs, want the two merged.
Mark my words, within the next 20yrs, you and all your activity online will be synonymous.
The notion of virtual anonymity will cease to exist in any practical sense.
You, and any persona you attempt to assume online in anyway, will be fused together.
@Salvos_Rhoska
you cant mix that n any case … i am 12 chars in EVE … ok … maybe i am schizophrenic but 12 persons is not possible i guess and in a other game i could be a pink squirrel or a sparcling unicorn … i guess most female chars are not femal in real life … so this “data” is total fiction … how you want to mix up that?
JuuR
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Thats exactly the point, and why IT/govs will get their way on this.
All alts/pseudonyms/aliases etc are YOURS.
There is only one person behind them, and that is whom they want to get at.
I know this is difficult to understand, but in terms of legality, all expressions of you, in any form, are from you.
you mixing up 2 different things here … the OP was about the other site … how protected is the data of a fictonal char not the person behind the char
JuuR
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The data of the “fictional char”, which is operated by a person, is not protected in any way at all.
PS : The existence of that char is not fictional. It actually exists as what it is, as does the person that operates it.
You do talk the most utter bollocks at times.
What’s next ? “How many avatars can you fit on the head of a pin” ??
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You dont get it…
You are still thinking in antiquated terms/paradigm.
All that exists, is real.
Your aliases/alts/pseudonyms/etc all exist, and they exist because you made them and operate them.
To quote Spock, from Star Trek, whom is a fictional character, in a fiction based real TV series, portrayed by a real person and speaking real words:
“Nothing unreal exists.”
Take some time to think about that.
Its profound.
It’s not even wtf. What kind of games we play and the way we do, tells a lot about us. It’s not anywhere near or near as simple as the smear media tries to tell us, but there are deep connections between who we are in other spheres and who we are in games. The most basic thing is to look at what games you play and how long you stick to them. Chosing to play EVE Online, sticking with it or leaving it, is a prime example.
While this alone can never give us conclusive information about you, mixed with other data, possible out-of-game data, it may be used to form a greater picture. As with most sources of data about people or their different persona, it is not the single trace that creates an issue, it is the ability to effectively link sets of data. In the case of Zkillboard this would have to be done either directly or indirectly to cause any concern.
Directly would mean that a state-actor or someone with similar power, can directly link your real life to the data appearing on Zkillboard. If they are able to do this however, they are also able to monitor your gaming behaviour more in depth than Zkill ever could. If anything Zkill could make it easier for such a party, taken that they’re happy with the inconclusive nature of the data on Zkill (not everyone shares their killmails with Zk etc).
Indirectly would mean that they are not able to directly link your real life person A with the game persona B, but they are able to indirectly match them after collecting enough data. For this to be possible, they again need to be a state actor with far more ressources at hand than for the “direct” approach. They’d need to generally profile everybodies gaming behaviour with sources such as Zkillboard and gain enough data to create a somewhat semi-conclusive profile for each of them. At the same time, they’d have to create a profile about your real life person in other ways that is at least conclusive enough for them to find strong behavorial links between real life person A and game persona B. The sweet understatement “big data” makes this seem possible, but we’ve seen from many other examples how often this actually fails and leads to completely wrong predictions or links that are simply not there.
While extensive data about your choice of games and your gaming behaviour might give a number of institutions or private companies something to work with when it comes to predicting your behaviour, it needs to be reliably linked to your real life person to allow for such predictions. Not that they necessarily care about being precise, but that’s a sub-matter.
Still, the question of this thread is not a general one, but specifically regarding the possible role of Zkill in such undertakings. The data there is inconclusive regarding your gaming behaviour in EVE. It is not automatically linked to your real life person. The abstraction layer “Zkill” is giving far less information than the game itself would spill.
They could, but they won’t. I can see this kind of link being part of the legislation in development in the EU. For privacy, but also for the notion of “competition” it is companies like Facebook and Alphabet that are of the greatest concern, but they are only efficiently using what is possible. The underlaying problem is one of network infrastructure and since there is not the slightest hint of legislation going towards a “right to anonymity online”, this issue will prevail. The only question is who can legally link your data and taken the gravity of such profiles and the power that comes with holding billions of these, I can see that states see their monopoly of power (to guarantee/steer/manage business/personal rights/access) threatened by private companies and start legislating them. The positive side-effect on consumer and privacy rights, is not to be either under- or overestimated.
It is still going to be up to the user to make choices between comfort and privacy, risk and effort, predictability and feasability. If you don’t want anyone to know that you’re playing EVE, there is no 100% guarantee to be able to do that. The highest effort and acceptance of in-game limits, will allow for a relatively large chance to play EVE undetected by others. The question is: do you want that? Do you want to stop playing games like you want to play them, because someone may or is creating a profile of your online persona including your gaming data?
If so, this doesn’t protect you at all from being profiled, because the fact that you stop playing a game at the slightest hint of leaving a trace of behavorial data behind, may tell me a lot about you as well.
There is no outside of this logic anymore. You’re in no matter if you like it or not. Laws or technical barriers are certainly not useless and neither are individual steps being taken to avoid having your mean solo-PVP killboard linked with your job as a nurse. However, calling Zkill “invasive”, as the OP suggests, completely misses the point. Sharing of any kind of personal, online-persona information or meta-data is something that is neither only bad or only good - it always depends. The management of all that is beyond every persons abilities and I’d say even consciousness about themselves.
Thus, meandering about Zkill displaying publicly available information, is nothing but a flare. It’s like hearing about the imminent dangers of climate change to life on earth and eating the pacification pill of changing some personal behaviour (eating less meat, turning off the lights etc.) as if this could ever tackle the problem.
Everything depends on something.
Likely already mentioned, but too much text to read all the details.
Your personal information is your own, personal, identity. Name, phone number, address, identification numbers, banking info, etc. Email address used is somewhat grey area, since it is often anonymous and unlinked to your other info, but is generally considered personal info.
Game or other software oriented stats (how many kills you made, or died, or how much credits you have) are not generally considered personal info unless, for instance, the game stats are tied directly to your actual name (not your game nickname), your email address, or your IP address or something else directly from your personal info. I am not aware of any games that do this, btw.
Tracking your game stats on something like zKillboard, is equivalent to tracking your spending behaviour by analyzing how many cars in a Walmart parking lot are SUVs vs sedans vs trucks. They may show general ‘gamer behaviour’ trends but they are not linked to you personally.
You may say “But my game nickname is my real name!”. Well, that’s on you, has nothing to do with the legality or general usage of the gaming industry.
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nooooo way … it exists? ok … undock your titan please …
you cant? why? it exists you said
its is fictonal … 100% sifi … its not real … the person behind the chars is something different …
the OP was about the chars not the person behind … most of the other stuff was about something not related to the OP … so if we talk about something here we have to keep the OP in the eyes and this stuff ir really clear in any point
if a goverment want to know stuff behind the chars or ather things or a terror group ants something els and the crazy clown has green blood … doesnt matter … the OP matters …
oh 1 button can delete your char … your account … all ylur accounts or my accounts so it is not real …
sorry to say its just a game
JuuR
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I would pay money for that!
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