Lev4 Special Missions Inflation?

[Queotzcatl]

One of the Special missions in Lev4 - each 10 - those that bumps up your stats and

usually were payed very well… well it now costs isks to “run” some of those missions…

8.000 Kernite units costs 7.5Mil in Jita, maybe a little lower somewhere else or if you mine it.

The Mission is an exchange 8.000 Kernite ORE UU for 1 Standard Social Adaptation Chip - Implant.

At 3.5 Mil Market prices, that is a straight 4 Million LOSS for a REWARDING, VERY IMPORTANT MISSION….

So, I think Inflation has hit some of these old VERY IMPORTANT MISSION “REWARDS”

and it has really beaten us. Unless you do want/need to “PAY” for a small "corporate” gain…. social credits… maybe… some of these rewards could be injected something like…

PLEXES ??? Instead of a Stupid Standard Implant that is worth negative 4 Millions, how about

4 PLEXES??? Even 2, or 1… At least it’s something that will go on with inflation for some time,

and don’t risks being overtaken by a “not so common anymore” ORE….

[Aisha_Katalen]

@Queotzcatl

each 10

It’s 16. Their goal isn’t the payout, never has been, their goal is faction standing. They’re also optional.

How do you continuously, and in pretty much all your posts, get things so wrong.

[Queotzcatl]

Nah pretty.

It’s called REWARD for a REaSON, and that is ISKIES.

Faction Standing does not make you pay less taxes.

Faction Standing does ONLY allows access the faction LP STORE, like the Thukkers…

And you DO THAT IN ORDER TO BUY THUKKER ITEMS and RESELL THEM FOR A PROFIT!!!

Damn! I’m in the wrong???
What do you breath???

Vaporized Snake Oil???

PS: I forgot I should have taken into account the LPs can be exchanged for isk also…

But it’s the same thing… in the End Everything is economy.

[Don_Tasq]

You remind me of the only time I tried running a lvl 4 transport mission. Start location was 4 jumps from Jita and destination was in Branch or something. 19 jumps if I remember correctly. I thought, why not! That’s fun for a change, running through the blockades, taking risks, looked like fun!
Then I saw the reward which was like 5mil ISK.
I was greatly disappointed and never looked back.

It would be so easy even for interns to create missions but I’m really under the impression EVE is on life support just milking the cashcow.
When comparing what the game was in 2004 and what it is now, no way is it the accomplishment of an 30 people studio. Calling Legion an ‘expansion’ speaks volumes, it was just a nothingburger.

Since none of their projects will ever be profitable, maybe they could focus on EVE online and attract more people and make them stay!

[Syzygium]

Just mine the Kernite yourself, then it’s free™!

[Buoytender_Bob]

I’m not upset of the “cost” of those missions. What bothers me is that no matter what you do, it causes a drop in the standing of the other factions. Rescue stranded people, destroying Rogue drones or Blood Raiders, transport needed medical supplies, etc.: it doesn’t matter if you are, in fact, aiding the other factions citizens or defending their space, your standing takes a hit. It would be nice if 1 out of 5 or so storyline missions would be at least opposing faction standing neutral.That would mean you would have to run 80 missions before you could get a “neutral” storyline mission, a reasonable request. As of now, each storyline mission offer is rejected, even if innocent npcs get killed.

[Syzygium]

There is a math behind it, you can calculate up to which standing you gain more with the current faction (and its ally) than you lose with the opposing faction (and their ally). I think it was something like 3.33 or 4.0 base (unmodified) faction standing, not entirely sure. After that point, you should decline all storyline missions, unless you don’t care for your standing to the opposing factions.

If you want to push your faction standing any further, use the Epic Arcs, Data Centers and COSMOS missions.

[Queotzcatl]

It was virtually free YEARS ago, before they moved KERNITE to lowsec pockets…

I’ve mined some of that… there’s gatecamps along the way, I have to switch clones, lose skill points in the process, travel some 28 jumps go and return to the nearer place I know there’s some… it’s minimum a three hour mission to mine all of that Kernite now with a T2 Venture…

That’s why the price skyrocketed… Devs should, or could, just change it to Pyroxerer, or some other common HS ORE…

And then I could just go to the market and sell that instead of that crappy Standard implant, and I would make more iskies… I’m far past good positive relations with all factions and It’s more the mission I have to decline to not lose important standing with non-allied factions than those that I do, and those that I accept also mildly affects negatively some other factions.

A “Neutral” mission that would prop up standings with all factions, that is an idea.

But really there’s a ton of old missions reward systems that were never accounted for the starvation changes, and other stuff…

Even the Bonus rooms Bonanza RNG faction drops have been removed, years ago, and I got just one faction drop (8Mil on market) out of the last 50 or more Anom missions I ran. So when they want to change something in the missions reward system they can… maybe it’s just that not enough people point these discrepancies out…

I also got 8 Kernite missions CONSECUTIVELY…. 64 Mil in rocks for 21Mil in return, a 40MIl net loss…

Free you say…

[Blue_Meltdown]

And who forces you to do the storyline missions?

[Syzygium]

Greeeeeeeed…

[Aisha_Katalen]

But but Hilmar said greed is good.

[Syzygium]

For Hilmars wallet, for sure…

Hint 1: In the time it takes to grab 8000 Kernite from the next best hub and bring it to the Agent, he would have made 3x more ISK by just declining the mission and run 2 others.

It’s the same with all those guys looting and salvaging all that worthless crap out of L4 missions, they literally throw away money because they could have earned much more by ignoring the wrecks and just do another mission instead. You can count the ones worth looting/salvaging on one hand.

[Namdor]

This is what living in highsec does to a person’s brain.

[Uriel_the_Flame]

@Syzygium

all those guys looting and salvaging

There are smart ones that have an alt to salvage thus they don’t lose time from spending on running the missions.

[Queotzcatl]

1Bil isk a day doing Lev4 Missions is not bad….

Some days is less, most of the time I do Abyss and last day I lost 1Bil ship etc….

So I Do Lev4 Missions essentially to not go broke…

T2 or T4 Abyss Payout is ridiculous, like 40-60 Mil an hour…

You can use a 150 Mil Ship and 100 Mil Clone ( I still need to train skills)

Or Use a 1 Bil Ship and 1 Bil Clone… the payout don’t change one bit…

At least Lev 4 you don’t lose your POD and implant… and you also basically earn more

than any Abyss below T5 that I can think of…

The problem is WHY I KEEP DOING ABYSSALS….

PS: Last “Special Mission” Special gift was worth 0.5Bil Iskies…

A Tuff Mission indeed, My Vargur had to warp out in structure, repair, and come back…

(Tnx for the NERFZ!1!1!1!…)

SO it’s not everytime “just for standing”…

[Syzygium]

@Queotzcatl

T2 or T4 Abyss Payout is ridiculous, like 40-60 Mil an hour…

T2 already brings 100mil/hour if you do it in an Assaultfrig.
T4 can bring 300mil/hour if you blitz them in a Stormbringer.
T5/T6 even up to 450mil/hour from normal grinding.

For L4 HighSec missionrunning, normal ISK generation with a Marauder is about 200M/hour from normal running if you convert the LPs for a good price (2000 ISK/LP+). 300M/hour+ if you know how to blitz Burners and have specialized ships ready for each mission.

[Vokan_Narkar]

but that can’t be done afk…

[Tiger_space_Thedark]

are you sure you are playing eve online and not the mobile one ?

[Queotzcatl]

T5/6 from normal grinding?

I never came out alive a T5 room… You have to be an exceptionally good and reactive pilot to

“grind" T5/6…. I did a T3 in a Vagabond that supposedly is capable of “grinding” T5….

I barely made it out alive with half structure gone…

But Abyss payout has gone UP a LOT in recent here

Normal Lv4 Missions instead has lost all of the special drops in the Bonus Bonanza rooms

Drones used to drop stuff also.

Lv4 Missions have been changed a lot, with higher bounties, etc, Even the LP stores don’t give you full Ships and modules anymore, but only BPOs…

[Queotzcatl]

There’s a BEFORE and an AFTER…. BEFORE it was possible to buy directly ships with LP points…

Bow they OVERSELL YOU a BLUPRINT COPY at DOUBLE THE PRICE that you can get on Contracts,

Plus if you consider 500K LP worth at least 250 MIL…. The CN Store sells you a NAVY RAVEN BLUPRINT FOR 450 MIL…. Add 400 MIL for the INDUSTRIAL PROCESS… there you have your RAVEN NAVY ISSUE for 850 MILLIONS… It used to cost around 500 Millions… Because with 500K LP you could walk away with a fully Built CN RAVEN….

But there is people that can make infinte runs od the CN RAVEN BLUEPRINT, and sell the complete

Raven for 590 Millions… 250 Millions LESS of What it took me to build it from the LP STORE…

No guys… stop pretending it’s everything OKAY…

The system has changed, but it made life much nastier for low income players…

I don’t HAVE TIME for go back to BIG CORPS… I STRUGGLE TO PAY my INTERNET BILL at the END of Every month since 2019….

Inflation hit hard everywhere, and the more I look, the more it seems obvious that a lot of stuff has gone terribly wrong for the average buddy…

With 500K LP I should have walked away from the Store with some valuable item, go to the market, and sell it for a profit…

250Millions for 500K LP, and DONT FORGET THE 200Million instant TAX when purchasing the thing… or you could have spent 600K LP and no 200 Millions… So How much are worth LPs REALLY?

If 100K LP is worth 200 Millions 500k LP should be worth 1 Billions MINIMUM….

Here I get a 600Mil SHIP That I paid 600Mil to make… basically ZERO.

Z - E - R - O- isk rewards.

And why I noticed this? Because clicking on the LP Store BLUEPRINT, it comes UP the UNLIMITED BLUEPRINT…. So I assumed, that for 500K LP + 200Mil, I’d would get an Infinite run CN RAVEN…

Instead I got a 1 RUN ONLY, BP COPY, of a different COLOR of that ADVERTISED…

I call this FALSE ADVERTISMENT!