Main War declaration thread

[Daichi_Yamato]

Conceptually this is freedom taken away from what is meant to be a very free system.

Players should be able to dec eachother for any reason they like, including the colour of their hair if they so choose. The only thing the target needs is to be in a player corp.

The ‘reason’ people are being decced is not the problem. Even when it comes to the whiners. The issue whiners have is that they are decced at all, the reason behind it makes no difference to them.

@Punky260

Win or lose
This also helps with the next thing a good mechanic needs to fullfill. And that’s recognizing a clear winner and loser. In the current state, the war ends after 7days (if no one renews it) and that’s it. Not even a “congratulation” is given out, as the game does not know or care who won the war. But this is actually a really big deal in the human understanding of war. The game defines an attacker and defender, but doesn’t follow up if the attacker can achieve what he is after (since there is no target atm) or if the defender could avert the enemy from reaching the goal.
If we take a look to Nullsec wars, where wardecs aren’t used, we can clearly see who won a war (with a very few exceptions) by looking at the objectives and who took them. This is usually also used when looking at a single battle, while the always present ISK-war gets added or is the main focus. In the latter case, the ISK-war becomes the objective, which is absolutely legit of course

This is complete bull ■■■■.

Very few wars have clear victors. In game and out. Many times both sides try to claim victory for one reason or another. And it’s the same in eve. When goons invaded the north not long after the end of the casino war they claimed victory for displacing their enemies out of the territory they targeted. But the defenders claimed victory for wrecking goon fleets on multiple occasions whilst relocating members out of said territories (this is my interpretation from what I’ve read. I’m not involved in either side).

And it’s the same with hi-sec war decs. My objective may be to disrupt my enemies income which i may achieve by my own accounts, but the defenders may kill me, a lot. Who won?

And not all objectives are so straight cut. I may wardec someone and demand they stop putting up market orders, or to not mine a certain ore, or stop smacking in local.

We cannot even begin to understand all the reasons people goto war. And the terms of their surrender are equally as complex. Again, see the end of the war in northern null sec and the surrender terms involved there.

It is far far easier to just let us dec for whatever reason we want and when we feel satisfied the war is over, then we can end the war ourselves.

The exception to this would be defenders dominating the war and ending it through a structure mechanics. But everyone is familiar with my feelings on that.