Kudos to the gank fleets for doing what they’re supposed to do in an MMO: work together. How many freighters got ganked that worked together with others in fleet to ensure their survival? Few if any.
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HSG is fine the way it is. The problem is that you don’t know what you’re doing, and you paid the price for your lack of knowledge.
- According to zKill they had been ganking for almost two hours before they got you. This means you failed to use intel tools such as Eve Gatecamp check, or you did use them and ignored the danger.
- You overloaded your freighter with too much value, which made you a profitable gank target.
- You falsely assumed that you were too big to fail. You were either ignorant of, or ignored the fact that bowheads with even more HP than your freighter still get ganked.
Not to be a dick, but I see these threads all the time, and they all go the same. Someone got ganked, and instead of trying to figure out what they did wrong, they propose nerfs to ganking -nerfs which often demonstrate just how little they know about ganking and/or safe hauling.
So, here’s what I wrote in response to a similar thread from all of 4 days ago. Hopefully it helps you.
- Use instant undocks and insta-dock bookmarks when appropriate.
- Don’t go to Jita during burn Jita.
- Don’t autopilot.
- Don’t go AFK.
- Fit buffer tanks against gankers (the amount of EHP repaired during a gank is usually less than the extra EHP you’d get from fitting a straight buffer tank).
- Don’t haul on characters that a wardec’ed.
- Make sure that duel requests are turned off for your hauling pilot.
- If you web your freighter, always send duel requests to the webber, and never to the freighter.
- I have occasionally received fleet invites while in a hauler (presumably to warp me away from gate guns, idk). Regardless, always be very careful about what you click on.
- Don’t have your haulers in a corp that allows friendly fire unless you and your alts are the only people in that corp.
- One hauling strategy is to fit enough tank that the ships required to gank you would cost more than the value of your expected loot drop.
- One hauling strategy is to be as slippery as possible (usually best for moving small, high-value cargo like BPO’s). This is achieved through things like 2 second align times, covert ops cloaking devices, and the MWD cloak trick.
- Use Eve Gatecamp check, scouts, the in-game map, or any other intel tools that you have at your disposal to see if gankers are currently active along your route. Sometimes systems with ganker activity can be avoided with a negligible amount of extra jumps. Sometimes you’re better off waiting until later to haul. Sometimes you can count on being an unprofitable gank target. Do note, however, that figuring that your tank is more than the gank fleet can take on is a risky gambit. Fleet numbers can rise and fall, and depending on when they scan you and how fast you move, they may even have time to reship into something that can take you on.
- Traders are constantly overloading their haulers and/or compromising their tank in order to increase cargo hold capacity and decrease travel times because they get lazy and impatient. This gets them killed. Always use the most appropriate ship for the haul, and always use best practices. If that means waiting, then wait. If it means making two trips, then make two trips.
- Do note that anything can still be ganked. A small gank fleet may have to watch your 700 EHP bowhead pass by today, but large gank fleets do regularly form. Moreover, if they see you flying a loot pinata, they may decide to actively hunt your ass. On top of that, covert ops capable ships stand a fair chance of getting decloaked on gates where gankers have been active (they will be surrounded with wrecks and faction police), and fast moving ships are vulnerable to smart bombs, lag, and DC’s. So don’t think it can’t happen to you.
- Just because you got away with it before, doesn’t mean it’s safe.
- Don’t haul what you can’t afford to lose.
- If you can’t haul it safely, pay someone to haul it for you.
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As an industrialist operating out of hisec … just no … gankers gotta earn a living as well. So you failed, learn and adapt, this is the Eve way.
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Thank you, I appreciate the information and your perspective. I admit that I was ignorant and there was more I could have done. :\ Sorry if I came off preachy or arrogant.
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Thanks for the help, I appreciate the response and education. I realize I just made a huge blunder and that it actually was avoidable.
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You are fine, and so would all the others be with outreach. I only regret that that many forum/reddit users (both regulars and non-regulars) prefer to troll them out of the game instead of helping them with them with knowledge.
Also, don’t forget Rule #2 in EVE: don’t fly what you cannot afford to lose (twice, some say). This is particularly important when it comes to do-it-yourself freight (ie. break it down into multiple trips to minimize liability). At least if you hire a courier, their failure is your profit since you score a collateral that exceeds the value of the freight 
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I know you put a lot of work into this.
This is the eternal debate that never seems to go away.
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It is a debate as old as time - the mice in the granaries of ancient Egypt probably all felt that there shouldn’t be any cats.
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How many years have these exact type of OPs containing the same things been written? Dang. Then people wonder why other players are so *sniff “mean” to them…
Also, @Maschine - You do know that CSM is not in control of CCP…right?
You did not come off preachy or arrogant or whiney. Though that is a very easy and common accomplishment on these forums.
A buddy of mine, the only pilot I actually know and trust in game, lost > 500 mil in an iteron at Jita Iv 4 station doing exactly what you did.
Loading up to start a new life in a system we carefully selected on our restart together in our little buddy corps after years of being out of the game. he wasn’t exactly angry or sad. He decided Eve wasn’t his thing and quit. So now, until I can find a corps that fits my curiosities in developing play styles, and until Real Life allows me the commitment that EVE play seems to demand I’m out. Unfortunately our initial involvement in EVE 17 years ago was with a corps that was somewhat manipulative, deceptive and unconcerned with player enjoyment or development. So we quit back then. There being many other things to pursue in this world than this computer game or even computer games period.
For a player whose cash is about 750 mil 500 mill seems a lot. It seemed a huge amount to me. For a player who has 2 billion 500 million is an expensive lesson…as it was to him that was about his in game financial level. He could easily have absorbed it but it was a reminder why he doesn’t like eve (I had talked him back into it and he was vividly reminded that he does NOT like the possibility of predation.)
The possibility of being predator / prey even in high sec is something eve would be poorer without and the OP Maschine acknowledges this.
In Eve I find gentle if stern and tough love folks like what I’ve seen from of ARcher en Tilavine and Ship wreck Jones and the folks with the patience to endure helping noobs in rookie help and then I find a lot of anti social ugliness and haughtiness.
7 billion is rather steep tuition in re learning EVE… it represents real time effort. and hopes of game play future. It’s not whinny to feel a bit of pain and sadness over the loss and there’s lots of callousness out here in the forums and in space.
I hear what Archer says about people trolling people out of the game instead of helping them gain knowlege. It’s a game. It’s a deep game. It’s an unforgiving game when one takes a few casual moments to take care of a task, like moving, and ends up with wrecks.
And even if we are adversaries and “winners” and “loosers” and “carebears” and “pirates” in playing the game we have a basic responsibility of good old fashioned “sportsmanship” and camaraderie to co operate in each others enjoyment EVEN if we have different play styles. Carebears, not that OP is but I tend to be, need to grow knowledge, sense and operational security but more piratical types well the more they help others develop the game and the less callous they are about their wins the more fun everyone can have. Let’s HUG!
Because EVE intentionally has pvp has the root of the game, which is good and unique, it also has a unique problem with what other games would consider trolling and griefing when it comes to people joining the omnivorous eco-system or returning to it after a long hiatus.
It’s an aggressive game, but that doesn’t mean we have to be jerks in forums chasing others out. Thank you folks who are not jerks. Even Black Pedro who has helped me understand a bit from more piratically minded players. We also need patience when someone rubs us the wrong way to really listen to what they are saying even if we are left with a couple disagreements.
PS I think Black Pedro’s ideas of some tweaks around loot scooping might helpe, but what tweaks, ahhhhh the devil is in the details not just at the jump gate with the gank squad…
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Thank you Ship wreck Jones. Your advice on a similar post helped me a lot. From what little reading I"ve done your rapidly becoming one of my Eve heroes! lol no doubt you’ll fall off that pedestal you never asked for. But seriously, thanks for being a sensible sportsmanlike voice in the game. It can be a tough universe out there…
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No doubt, but have you seen the size of some of those granary rats…they fight back…mice are one thing…rats…now rats…if organized can give the cats a cut or two…
I see mostly mice in highsec.
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