You warp to a belt in Orca without scouting/scanning, your asking for it. Diamond miners show up on dscan on npc tab, make sure you have everything selected etc. The response fleet if spawned is usually somewhere in system sitting on safespot, that will tell you what they will respond with.
A massive passive orca can tank a frig response till you get a frikking 3b faction (properly)fit x-type x-large loki on scene to kill them, it helps to also have a full t2/faction passive gila to chip in, your loki can get webbed down and perma chasing the rr boat thats out of range and perma-repping the guys that have you pinned (Ive been stuck like this for 2 hours).
All 3, loki+orca+gila can easily slaughter the frig responses, basically like pvp, watch your tanks and aggro kill remote rep, nuets, etc in order
if cruiser or above shows up dont even try.
There are a few other tricks as well, but for the average guy hard lesson as the miners are already warping off and responders inbound before you even come to stop, it can be close trying to GTFO in a cruiser.
They added all kinds of new cool ways to get all your crap blown up in hisec really your safer in null.
The flip side, hunting mining fleets- MUCH BETTER THAN MINING You’ll need orca for all the ore, compression services as you can hit 200k+m3 ore in 20 minutes instead of 20 hours, and t2 salvage from the npc exhumers also the strongboxes from npc haulers.
I got it down efficient with orca/loki/gila alt team but it really takes some bling and one slipup your out a few bil. It’s been a few years since I was into this stuff might have changed and everything I just said might just get you killed IDK.
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I have it scouted of course. Belt was empty. I have proper overview configured ofc.
Yeah, but there were not frigs. I was killed by BS, please read my initial post.
You don’t know what you are talking about. Killing T2 hauler require abou 30 - 45 minutes to do so. And I’m not spaking about fact that Joint Harvesting response fleet can shoot you for more than 2k km. I tried that, please do not talk about things you just saw on YT or tried some years ago…
NPC lootboxes is just another RNG lottery which give you almost nothing. there is like 2% change of getting something juicy. It can happen as well that T2 hauler will give you nothing, no lootboxes, no ore, just salvage. And yeah killing that thing even if it would take 20 minutes is not worthed. So please…
Exactly, that is my point. If you are enemy to Amarrians than you just don’t have chance to mine. I will try to mine with rookie ship in 1.0 Minmatar system and come closer to Joint Harvesting. If my assumption is correct than they will attack me.
If you are mining normal asteroid belts and you have poor factional standing then you absolutely need to probe/d-scan and see if there are any mining teams in the system before you start.
Do you have IRL mental issues to attack someone like this? I didn’t stutter, you dont have any business randomly slandering people online. How are you going to accuse someone like this when your not experienced enough to know better than warping an orca to random belts without backup, dscanning and scouting?
45 minutes to kill a t2 hauler? maybe 40 minutes to find compression service for 180k ore… You could take your youtube and shove it, I’ve never found any reliable resources on hunting npc miners on forum or reddit. I used to watch metallica and RHCP videos on youtube.
I could write a post 4 times as long with actual nuances, every bit learned by direct personal experience.
The stuff there is on the subject leaves out crucial details, for example, if you’re handling response fleet after finally pining down t2 exhumers for salvage, leave 1 npc dps frig alive or the entire exhumer fleet will despawn.
thought I made it clear what I did involved frigate response fleets. Just tried to point you in a more productive direction, you are an admitted belt miner and obviously in some measure of mental anguish over the issue.
Well, I must admit I was probably too hard with last reply. Still. I spent last few days hunting NPC haulers so I know what I’m talking about. And yes it take up to 45 minutes to get that kill. Specially when Joint Harvesting are able to shoot and hit you on 2000 km (I will try to upload picture proving that). So you need to warp in, wait, warp out and by doing that it will take really long time. I’m not speaking about killing t2 exhumers, but about t2 hauler ship, that’s most probably main difference here…
Man I apologise for suggesting your mentally ill, I’m not a medical doctor and didn’t have to fly off the handle. Yeah the haulers are tough, my method was warp the loki in, scram him, and then warp to with orca and gila. The job was trying to keep him scrammed while I was also being webbed, hurry and kill him then deal with response fleet. still have fits I worked out but not at home.
The exhumers were pretty buggy. Sometimes you could drop on them in belt, and just shoot them with no reaction at all. Not sure what triggers this scenario. Rest of time, probing them down a few times before they stop running, and like I mentioned leaving one response frig until killing the exhumers or they all despawn.
When I ran into people doing the same, they had methods like drawing off response fleet with mwd boat and killing fleet while aggro was on the distraction.
I did a bit of npc hauler hunting, the biggest issue I found was the randomness of the response fleet.
Mostly it was frigates with at most a couple of logi frigs, but you could also get a cruiser fleet or a battleship fleet … lost a couple of Nestors (on SISI) trying that out.
One flight of Hammerheads would have made all the difference. It also looks like the EC-300s went down with the ship as they were never launched. Either the Orca was never pointed or it never tried to break the target lock to escape.
I kill them all the time in Level 4 missions, alone. 2-3 people who know what they are doing and are in properly fit ships will be able to handle them with no problems.
It’s a simple concept. If you want to be able to mine in peace in that region of space, then repair your standing with the Amarr faction or Joint Harvesting…
These are not lv 4 mission rats. The frig response would melt an average mission boat, or at least pin you down permanently if passive shielded enough to tank.
The diamond rats use pvp style teamwork. Tackle, dps, neut, remote rep with effective range control, the works and thats just the frigates.
They take good alt coordination solo, cruisers and above take a real fleet with w-space experience. The battleships I would say are worse than even the forward base responses, people have managed to solo forward bases with insanely expensive passive rattles, the mining fleet BS team would easily melt a rattle too. Maybe a spider RR team of rattles is what I would say, might be people who’ve done it on youtube but all I found when I was doing it was stuff about forward bases, and these aren’t the same.
I never said they were. I can handle any level 4 mission solo. I said 2-3 people who know what they are doing and are in properly fit ships will be able to handle them.
You dont need 10+ people, if you know what you are doing.
I agree, 2-3 bored wormholers could figure it out. I had the theory back then that the response fleets where basically pvp style AI testing ground for triglavians and stuff.
I don’t personally mine Minmatar space, and have good standings myself, so I couldn’t confirm the response fleet levels in 1.0 space. But the answer to the best of my knowledge is, possibly yes.
EC-300 were not launched because I tried first use Logi to bring shields up with another char. True is I did not break the target lock and escaped. 71 seconds for killing tackler which is backed up by logi is not so easy
See combat log:
09:40:12 Combat Warp disruption attempt from Joint Harvesting Executioner to you!
09:41:23 Combat Warp disruption attempt from Joint Harvesting Executioner to you!
So I got one point immediatelly they arrived and second one after 71 seconds.
I would say next time I will fit two warp core stabilizers and jump drive, that could saved me. But not ECM drones. Maybe if I would use them immediatelly. As I mentioned I was managing other char during that time and I saw those ships as white on that char, not as red (despite fact fleet member was attacked by them).
Well in case Joint Harvesting would not escalate that you might be right, but I’m pretty sure they are able to call in backups (as Triglavians do in infested systems) so those 2-3 people would most probably die in 10-15 minutes. If you know some, please gather them I will get Joint Harvesting attention and we can try that. BTW I just did the math, incomming DPS was not so high (833) but they were as well neuting and using other ewar.
Joint Harvesting response fleet can shoot you for more than 2k km. I tried that, please do not talk about things you just saw on YT or tried some years ago…