One Way to Balance High-Security Space 🗡

[Max_Deveron]

@Most_Moliko

ganking risk free every day.

How is ganking Risk Free?

Are you able to answer this or not?

[Destiny_Corrupted]

@Ramona_McCandless

Actually thats a fair point, its not a risk at all

It a guarunteed loss.

The solution to risk-free ganking seems pretty simple to me, then. Just take away the guarantee of ship loss for gankers. That way, every time gankers gank, they will be risking their ships to do so.

[Most_Moliko]

To anyone who agrees with me, the messaging must be the same and clear in every single post we make.

Ganking is risk free in EVE.

[Max_Deveron]

@Most_Moliko

Ganking is risk free in EVE.

How so?
Please answer my question or start flagging your posts as spam.

[Most_Moliko]

CCP bott just does not like posts that expose players.

[Most_Moliko]

how many characters do you post with?

[Ramona_McCandless]

And you have yet to identify why thats a problem

Mining or hauling without ganking is also Risk Free

So why is that ok?

[Destiny_Corrupted]

I’ve lost count, but it’s gotta be more than 30 at this point.

[Ramona_McCandless]

As many as it takes for you to answer a simple question

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Most_Moliko

The insincerity of gankers arguing that there is risk when there is clearly no risk, is an absolute farce. Just because a bunch of cheap catalysts blow up in the battle. The cost to the ganker is minimal while the cost to the ganked person is overwhelmingly higher.

Arguing this absurdity of comparisons really makes me sick, but the zkillboard keeps track of b’s killed vs the b’s lost so stop with the games.

There is risk. I clearly outlined what you can do to counter it.

Explain to me then, how I survived a gank in a t1 hauler?

I fit for shield and hull tank They didn’t even clear my shields before CONCORD came.

There is plenty risk of them failing, as long as you take standard precautions LOL.

@Most_Moliko

Where is the forum moderator, this poster is saying the same thing OVER AND OVER AND OVER again.

My guy, you are also saying the same thing over and over

I just happen to be right. And you know it bro That’s why it hurts so much

@Most_Moliko

Your using a false argument, you know the truth your just spouting ganker propaganda.

Again we are not talking about ending the “Gank” we want to end the NO RISK GANKING.

Is it the ganker’s fault you don’t know how to PvP in high sec?

@Most_Moliko

Lets try a more direct comparison. Gun control.

Your argument is guns come with risks, so this is why its ok for everyone to have a gun.

Your problem is you are offering limitations as an example. The reality is, gankers just want to see the world burn. They will gank and they are determined to have no consequences as this is their game. They keep refining the trade until THERE IS NO RISK.

Gankers have zero risk.

Oof bro. We playing a vidya game, not real life.

We’re immortal space zombies flying around in capsules

@Most_Moliko

gankers just want to see the world burn.

As is their right in terms of EVE. You could always fit up, fleet up, and fly out to stop them.

But you won’t

@Most_Moliko

So precise, you may assume they use bots. I see the same Safety player running 7 catalysts ganking risk free every day.

LOL now come the unclaimed botting accusations. You realize it isn’t hard to kill people who aren’t evading right?

@Most_Moliko

To anyone who agrees with me, the messaging must be the same and clear in every single post we make.

Ganking is risk free in EVE.

Except that it isn’t Your opinion bucko, not fact. Sorry

@Most_Moliko

A way to scam money out of players who don’t want to be attacked.

They consented to being attacked as soon as they undocked.

@Most_Moliko

A way to gain pleasure (Machiavellian pleasures) in the forms for verbal manipulation of the rules and CCP itself.

I mean we play vidya games for enjoyment? They are playing an open world PvP game bruv.

@Most_Moliko

Possible loot payday, pretty much always pays more then the catalyst loss.

Well duh. Hence why people gank. Hence why people pirate LOL.

@Most_Moliko

Sociopathic pleasures as well, knowing you cultivate salt and disappointment among players and then the pleasure of gas lighting them to think CCP endorses you.

Mmm. Now friend, what qualifies you to make this medical diagnosis sight unseen?

[Most_Moliko]

@Ramona_McCandless

As many as it takes for you to answer a simple question

Your not asking a question. You have no questions. You have statements that present as questions but your not really looking for an answer.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Most_Moliko

Your not asking a question. You have no questions. You have statements that present as questions but your not really looking for an answer.

Heh.

You dodged that question pretty hard bro. You train with Patches?

[Most_Moliko]

I am not going to quote a wall of text and respond to all that. I believe your the same player who likes to argue with people in forums and you post on youtube. If i am correct. I have looked at your logical arguments it’s full of cognitive fallacies and i don’t have the time or inclination to unpack everything that is derailed in your heuristics.

[Gix_Firebrand]

Uh. Post on YT? Never made a YT video in my life bruv

Yes, I do post on these forums quite a bit

Ah. So in other words you can’t counter my points, so you hopped into your ROFLcopter and promptly faceplanted it into the ground.

It’s ok bro. You can admit you can’t EVE well

[Most_Moliko]

Again until people actually rationally address the zero risk involved with the way Safety ganks with a bunch of calalysts, i have no desire to address whatever your false logic is serving up as a part of your availability bias.

[Most_Moliko]

Again your saying nothing, you are not making a rational response to the zero risk.

[Gix_Firebrand]

Sigh. I get why you’re slinging jargon. You’re appealing to seem smart and credible.

Sadly, you’re wrong

There is risk. However, as you demonstrate most people will not do the bare minimum to defend themselves.

Hence, they die easy.

@Most_Moliko

Again your saying nothing, you are not making a rational response to the zero risk.

Oh, it’s quite rational

It’s why you’re shucking and jivving so hard

Want to avoid the gank? Follow the many counters and ways that have been listed.

Want me to list more for you?

[Most_Moliko]

Can… you … respond… to… ganking… having… zero… risk… in… less… then… 10… words…?

[Scipio_Artelius]

Back kind of on the subject.

The ESI provides an endpoint to monitor how much destruction is occurring in kspace. It updates each hour and you can pull the number of ships killed (by players and NPCs), pods kills (by players) and NPCs killed (in PVE).

Based on monitoring that for the last 24 hours, for Highsec:

Criteria	Total Systems
No ships lost	700
More than 10 ships lost	137
Ships lost every hour	11

59% of highsec systems haven’t experienced any ship loss in the last 24 hours.

Anyone playing in those systems has had 0 practical risk of being ganked.

It’s the same day after day after day.

Highsec doesn’t need to be rebalanced:

• New players just need to be educated on how to spot a gank hotspot and to stay away from them
• More experienced players should limit the consequence to themselves if they need to move through ganking hotspots (and in doing so, make it non-profitable to be ganked)

Ganking would die out even more if we could help the community do those 2 things.

[Most_Moliko]

Statistical delusion. Are you a demographer? There is no way you could get away with submitting this as means of determining anything. You are taking a large sample to intentionally dilute the actual issue.

Eve space is about travel and choke points. So you can only sample the stats at the choke points.