I also think the tutorial needs to be a but more transparent with the dark harsh realities of EvE. Warnings about high sec ganks, scams, and other shenanigans. They are a part of the game. They give it depth, and grit and new players should be made aware before hand so it’s not a shocking surprise when it happens to them.
It also needs a section on crime and punishment, going over the different types of flags, what they mean and what they are. And suspect baiting.
And more importantly, how to use the d-scanner for defensive purposes.
Now granted I haven’t done the new tutorials, so if these are incorporated than good on CCP.
One problem is that the more you try to put in tutorials, the longer and less relevant they get to each player. Even the short tutorial we have, players are often asking “how do I exit this and get to the real game?”.
The ‘main’ tutorial should give a quick, interesting intro, some overview information, an emotional hook and some “reason to keep playing”, and then get out of the way. There should then be mini, elective tutorials on key aspects like mining, PvP, travel, and “the dangers of EVE”.
While the Career Agents cover a small portion of this in a very limited way, they are also pretty boring and miss a lot of important info.
If CCP had spent a fraction of the money they’ve thrown away on useless side projects that never even get off the ground on playable, interesting tutorials, and even asked the thousands of creative players in EVE to help design and improve those tutorials… EVE wouldn’t be in the state it’s in today.
When I lose my favourite ship I complain in corp chat and then take a few days off. I find that flying sixteen ships is more stressful than flying four. Recently I’ve been staying aligned and hiring jump freighters. My next goal is to avoid moving expensive ships through systems that have neutrals. I think I’ve gotten better than when I first started. I still lose a battleship every 200 hours, but that’s within my profit-margin.
A new player is automatically shown the help channel which is moderated. That is a perfect start as it answers the first stage new player questions.
There can be the next level of active information and that is where the tall order for the Alliances, (Channel based on the Faction selection) or even more focus on using the channels that players already create. Such as the mining channel (frostpacker is banned in that channel and then there is the other side the eveil salt mining channel… again Frostpacker is also banned in that channel) Just can’t catch a break, but hey it is not about me it is about the new player or newer players (aka Capsuleer who we need this information for. I don’t know half the things you guys gals know but I am always learning and sometimes burning a bridge is how I learn.
I use Locator agents all the time, I use the map to show ship kills in th epast hour as well as the number of jumps etc. But this information takes time to open a map and see, what I wanted the paperclip to say is the have that intel already on the ui and then I can decide to turn that intel off or not.
I don’t care if my shield is showing 100% as I already know it is. (Tell me when I need to see it, when it starts to show damage.) That space can then be used to show the intel we really want to see. I think that is a easy request to deliver to new Capsuleers on.
In understand what you say, but then again, humans have used ideologies for and against one another for thousands of years. Men have used fancy words to tickle the ear of the naive and good-hearted for just as long but I don’t believe either ideologies or religions are at the root of any problem, although they contribute a great deal, but rather people make choices for themselves, even if it’s the choice of having someone else do the thinking for them.
Whatever dark or bright purpose is behind any ideology/cult/organisation it is ultimately the individual who will decide, either selfishly or for a common good as we see with investigative journalism, whistleblowers and political prisoners.
Movements and ideologies are only as long-lasting as the people behind them are determined and/or desperate.
Some mean words may lead to serious police investigations in many countries. Some mean words can be considered threats.
I think YouTube already does a great job of that on their own, they don’t need CCP.
All those platforms already have user monitoring. The whole internet is interweaved with trackers and snoopyware and all kinds of devices that make a laughing stock of the proponents of Privacy.
Real life threats are already against the EULA/TOS.
You’re not thinking about this. Everything that happened - the events that were the impetus for CCP’s rethinking their policies re: Mittens and Xenuria - happened outside of the game client: on Discord, Teamspeak, or IRL (at non-official EVE-related meetups). So you have to place the announcement in that context, because the EULA/TOS already covers those behaviors within the game client and at official EVE meets.
CCP wasn’t talking about the game client or their official meetups. Because there’s already rules for that. They very explicitly said “the EVE community”, which manifests itself not only in-game and in-person at official meets, but on Youtube channels, Twitch streams, Discord servers, Twitter, reddit, etc.
I think an EVE player has already been banned from the game for comments he made over his Twitch stream. Don’t quote me on that, because I’m not 100% sure. But the idea of a CCP acting like the CCP by spying on their own citizens who are, in effect, “abroad” - does not bode well for the future health and longevity of the game.
I’m not talking about privacy. I’m talking about jurisdiction.
Let’s say I own a big nightclub, people are having all sorts of fun in there, there’s even a room called “the brawl - enter at your own risk”
The club is called CCP. Every year I rearrange the furniture and have a grand opening…
I know all my clients by first name, I’m good like that. One day I read in the journal that Clay killed his neighbor’s cat after an altercation. Knowing Clay it struck me as extreme so I drove to the jail to speak with him.
He said "yeah, my girlfriend left me and my dog died and all my stuff went up in smoke so I was in a bad mood when Lois, that’s my neighbor, started nafmgging me about the bowl she leaves for cat when he’s out. One thing led to another and I just snapped.
Do I want that person back in my club? No. Was it my cat? I don’t care.
Hear…so 3rd party here say…you are not the police, and you have no power to investigate…and if you tried, you could be hit with stalking, privacy invasions, and even obstruction by the police themselves…
Not your job and you have no proof, that guy and anyone associated with him that took their money else and spouted in public to Feck your club would be in their rights to do so.
i like the way you formulate your argument a lot
is withy and funny
i wish his kind of discussion could always be made in this civilized manner
well done
your cat appear to be a monster thought
First, you’re comparing killing someone’s pet (cruelty to animals, destruction of private property) to “offensive speech” on the internet. The two aren’t even in the same ballpark. So your analogy is hyperbolic right out the gate (and probably on purpose, but for the sake of good faith I’ll operate as if it wasn’t).
Second, your analogy regards a decision based on hearsay so probably not the best fit for the scenario.
Third, it doesn’t address the question as to whether or not it’s appropriate - or even good business practice - for a gaming company (or really, any company) to ban people who say disagreeable things outside of that company’s official channels (the in-game client, official forums, etcetc). Where does the line get drawn? “Oh, we’ve learned that you work for an oil drilling company. Here at XYZ Games we take climate equity very serious. You are therefore in violation of the “equity clause” of our EULA/TOS and therefore have been permanently banned from the game.” You might think that’s an extreme example, but it’s not. It’s just following the ideological framework (that CCP is adopting) to a natural and logical endpoint.
Sure - a business is free to do the things it’s free to do. But customers are also free to leave. I would rather not see EVE Online shut down just yet.
Never talked about hear-say in my exemple. I’m saying it’s done, admitted to and fine/time served whatever… I don’t function on hear-say.
I hope that was addressed to me, lol, cause you mentioned money and coming to mess up my club haha!
that is here say…
Now if the guy was charged, and there was documented proof like police reports, newspaper that would be different…and the guy wouldnt be in your club anyway, fines(lack of money), jail time, etc.
Its a wonder ppl asking all the time dont think why CCP does not give the reasons most of the time they banned anyone.
Just as I did. Just looking at the flag-spam on these forums (and misuse of said system) shows such a scenario is not unlikely. That is why I brought it into the discussion as a legitimate concern regarding the current subject.
According to you. According to me, when I’m threatened I take it very seriously. A threat is punishable, same as killing a cat.
I never mentioned hear-say.
To me the question is answered. I’m sorry you don’t like it but there is little I can do about it. CCP is going to do what they deem best for the community regardless of your feelings or opinion.
Exactly.
We’re all free, isn’t it wonderful?
It’s out of our hands. Enjoy the game until it does shut down next month or next decade.
