I few game ones & since CCP is back patting over citizen science those that report on that.
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Please STFU permanently after this.
First point CCP unbans botters & or offers only time bans,
Boom, stfu! Botting by CCP’s own admission was done on a strikes basis while RMT was always permabannable. ‘‘Rob a trillion from the community but not a penny from CCP or DIE!’’.
CCP does not publish reimbursements.
Self evident by the lack of published game moderation. As Eve is apparently not a competitive game hence the demise of the tourny & other factors, this game does not require peer reviewed moderation. I’ve suggested numerous time that CCP take this game more seriously & make a semi ‘‘Eve is real environment’’ but sadly to no avail.
Please enjoy this minefield of a Reddit AMA performed by the GM team,
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/99e2o7/were_the_ccp_game_master_team_ama_about_customer/
Some goldmine quotes,
‘‘Over 70% of all bans issues by GMs in 2017 were suspensions.’’, so not bans then?
Other Jewels are GM’s talking about how they don’t actually follow rules & just go with their gut.
Now don’t ever ask me to cite crap you could find yourself or find things that are common knowledge.
no one needs any further proof of how CCP has had a decade long bot addiction yet zealously targets RMT in the same stroke.
CCP are famous for wordplay & double speak regarding botting, which is exactly the same of any addict trying to convince others they don’t have a problem. It is now common knowledge & self evident they have a problem & requires no more citation. When pushed on matters CCP’s default position is to go silent regarding issue or claim the fix is just round the corner which they’ve been doing since 2011 at every round table.
Any further burden of proof regarding botting is up to CCP or their pets to provide, CCP providing none instead hiding behind some self imposed inability to publish game moderation or open it to peer review.
tl;dr,
All points answerd,
The burdon of proof regarding RMT, Botting & game moderation is on CCP. They have the data they should publish it for peer review, all of it. Every game moderated decision should be published like in any sport.
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It’s something that has been discussed for a very long time, and will be discussed for years to come.
I do believe, however, that this specific incident of what may be botting exposes some problems that CCP needs to address very quickly.
Unless you live under a rock, there are a lot of people who are very concerned about a very real virus that is considered a pandemic, and mechanics created by CCP which were aimed at helping with the research in finding a cure or vaccination etc. are now potentially being manipulated for personal gain by people who are breaking the game rules.
Using it as anything more than evidence to expose CCP’s lack of action on botting diminishes the severity of this alleged action by players, which is, frankly, pretty sick considering the potential impact it has.
Closed.
I have scrubbed the Google Doc From the OP as it contained the name of players and how to Bot. This Isssue has been forwarded to CCP. As the Forums cannot assist in this manner in any way, I will be closing this.
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So your ‘evidence’ is that CCP provides an opportunity for players to alter their behavior, and therefore this means they are bot/RMT enablers? Really? Do you not comprehend the concept of ‘recidivism’ and how it works in real life? I don’t think you do. To say the very least, I would have expected you, as a single-issue CSM15 candidate, to have pulled up something more recent, as there have been substantial changes in policy since that was issued. Don’t you have a notebook full of each and every single official security-related devblog and thread CCP has posted, or are you only cherry-picking things which you can put a negative spin on?
So what? Should they? Are they obligated to? Would this be better somehow? Like, would us players being able to audit this somehow change the status quo of botting/RMTing if they did? Maybe their code base magically become more powerful when the knowledge is disseminated, I don’t know.
Ohhhhhhhhh nooooooooooooooooooooo!
Again, you do not comprehend the concept of recidivism, that is much is obvious. Your attitude is and has always been “lock them up and throw away the key” - yeah, in real life the vast majority of criminals who are given the opportunity to reform themselves live normal lives working normal jobs and end up as contributing members of society, and very few wind back behind bars, and it’s not that different with regards to suspensions vs bans in MMOs. CCP would not give second chances if they knew the recidivism rate was high in practice. Furthermore, CCP recently reiterated that a number of offenses remain instabannable on their first offense.
I went through the thread, and I found nothing that disturbed me. Nothing that caused me discomfort. Nor do they cause most other players discomfort either. You are in the minority here.
Yeah, no.
You’re mad at CCP because they don’t shoot players in the face and drink their blood and string their teeth on necklaces and impale their corpses on spikes for even thinking about about these things. I could go into a ■■■■■■■ Irish convent or the ■■■■■■■ Vatican and scream at the top of my lungs “■■■■ ■■■■■ PENIS ■■■■ PUSSY” and I would not elicit the same reaction that RMT/botting does from you.
Let me tell you what the real problem is: the real problem isn’t that CCP is failing to take effective steps to curb botting/RMT or that their second-chance intiative is faulty because they are in fact making great progress both quantitatively and qualitatively and they have been extremely transparent about their intiatives and progress over the years; the REAL problem is that
- YOU CHOOSE not to see the reality for what it is despite numerous devblogs and official threads over the years. All your posts month after month on the subject have been nothing but out-of-context interpretations and negative spins of cherry-picked selections along with conspiracy theories and literally baseless claims that build up on each other. You’ve been provided numerous opportunities to provide hard evidence for your claims and each and every single time you fail to deliver, and interestingly you frequently often provide segments that go contrary to what you are arguing - that reddit thread, for example, is a goldmine of reasons why you are WRONG and makes your arguments weaker, not stronger.
- YOU CHOOSE to get all emotional over this subject. Why, though? Why are you choosing to respond this way? Why are you making the conscientious decision to let this bother you to the extent that it does, to the extent that it makes you cry at night and that you resort to conspiracy theories and baseless claims to justify your disproportionately strong emotions and position? I’m not saying that RMT/botting shouldn’t bother you, just that it should not bother you to the extent of being both irrational and emotional.