Project Discovery July 2024

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So, there is a new PD thing.

I tried open it, i told there is some training for new advanced tools. Ok so let me see that …

“Density curves” could use a bit of info on what we are talking about here.

“Look for a hump on the curve, called a “shoulder”” I guess they mean a local optimum. From the looks of the sample, it can be both up and down and sideways, but really need some info on this as I am just purely guessing as this point.

“Shoulders can indicate a cluster where you can draw a gate” What is a gate?

So, ignore the graphs, draw usual boxes 94% accuracy.

““Valleys” can also indicate a point to draw a gate.” What is gate again?

If a gate is these boxes that come where you click, how are you supposed to make 3 graphs with just 3 clicks on sample 1?

But well, ignoring the graphs, 99% accuracy.

“Tails are when the curve slopes down more gradually” now I am still entirely guessing here, but that also counts sideways? What is a gate again? Assuming the gate is the box, where on the very long valleys and tails should I place the box?

Sample 3, knowing there needs to be 5 helps, but how are you to determine if its the left or right coloumn that has 3?

“When a high density peak is followed by a less dense tail” Guessing a peak is a local optimum, previously called shoulder, since they use two words I may be off here. But I just don’t see what else. Since these are density graphs, aren’t everything on both sides of a peak always less dense? Do they mean we are supposed to see a difference in line thickness or something?

(I don’t know if I finished the training yet, just stopping caring to type questions.)

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I just figured it was a sneaky way to stop bots and ignored it.

Mr Epeen :sunglasses:

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I just clicked a few times and got 96%
Easiest isk I ever made.

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I have similar thoughts regarding the 2024-07-30 update to Project Discovery.

I went through the tutorial several times trying to understand how to use density curves. I was confused of what are all these “gate”, “valley”, “tail”, etc. The explanation feels weird in a way that I understand every word, but not their combined meaning. It seems like provided samples don’t do great job of illustrating concepts that are being described. Especially, the chart that goes with the “tails” part of the tutorial.

Eventually it appeared that there is a pretty good explanation of what a “gate” is. But I had to re-start the tutorial from the very beginning to see it. I don’t remember whether this explanation existed before the update or not, but this term felt completely new to me when I went through the new portion of the tutorial for the first time.

It is also on me partially. I found that sometimes my attention switches from the curves to the dots drawn on the chart, even though I understand that it is the curve that is being described. Especially in the “comet” case. This focus shift definitely contributes to the overall confusion.

I see several possible ways to improve user experience in this case:

  • Improve wording that is used in the tutorial.
  • Use samples / charts that better illustrate the concepts that are being explained.
  • Highlight areas that are being described on the chart. Given that a “tail” is a particular portion of a density curve, it would be nice to highlight this portion using a different color or something similar.
  • Dim areas that are less important in terms of tutorial. Are we talking about the dots? So dim the curves. Are we talking about the curves? So dim the dots. It may help people to maintain their focus on the correct thing.
  • Provide some kind of a short in-game “video” tutorial that would feature Dr. Andrea Cossarizza (the NPC that walks players through the tutorial) going through these examples one by one and explaining important terms and techniques.

Seems like a considerable amount of work for such a small mini-game that is far from being the core mechanics of the game. But I think that it may help users understand how to use these tools properly and eventually lead to better results.

I’d also appreciate having an ability to control opacity of the density lines. Sometimes they seem too bright, which contributes to visual clutter in complex charts.

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I wonder how it stops them. There seems to be much less rated images than before. And one could still draw a small triangle in corner of the screen to complete unrated one.

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It doesn’t matter as long as the images you repeat, you just teach them each one and go 100% forever.

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I got to this point and could not figure this out and gave up on career in science.

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It ain’t that serious. And don’t worry about the tutorial. As someone said you could just make a small triangle anywhere and get credit. Even the ones that are rated are typically obvious and two squares covered the top and bottom half will suffice at getting you 70-95% rating.

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