Damm! Even civilized people have a hard time being civilized about EVE! Good job CCP!
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just to go back to subject …I think tomorrow there will be more videos on the field… so i really would like to talk about these and evaluate their accuracy tomorrow… Andy promised a serve video giving main headlines introduction and tips and tricks…
sound to me more like null sec training grounds…
We agree that we have to wait. How far up did I say that? 
I did all this for you! I hope you got a chuckle! 
Frankly, I did it for all the ISD.
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Removed some off topic posts. Keep it civil and on topic. First warning.
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Probably in the Chinese server. It’s ■■■■■■■ trash. Everywhere I go I see ■■■■ like this and I’m forced to play different games like this one.
You are assuming there isn’t a growing community that can grow from that.
I’m willing to bet that by the end of the year you will join the Abyssal PvP community.
You are assuming there can be no challenging yourself in the Abyss.
The current Proving Grounds shows that you can be in way over your head, so if you are looking for spontaneous challenges, you can find them in the Abyss.
You are Cannibalizing each others, gotcha!
You are assuming that there is no metagame, theory crafting, and effort in Abyssal PvP.
An entire community was built around fighting in the Abyss, and despite him refusing to acknowledge it, said community got a CSM member elected, it would not have lasted if Abyssal PvP didn’t have Metagaming, tactics, and efforts in it.
To sum it, sure you are enamored with the idea of open-world PvP, but you are also blinded by said passion to the point that you can’t see how Abyssal can be a viable competitor and a competent alternative to it.
Time to wake up.
@Brisc_Rubal Have you guys raised that point with them? I’m all for the new way to access the Proving Grounds, but it seems like a waste to not keep the PvEvP aspect.
Sure part of the feedback was that the PvE part was cumbersome to some people, but it seems like something that was not actually a problem but more like an inconvenience. The PvE part did a good job of vetting some fits and set a reasonable benchmark that you had to reach to be PvP ready.
I hope they are not giving up on the PvEvP, it was a quite unique and thematic aspect of the Abyss, it’s easy to get rid of it, but long-term there is an opportunity there that’d be wasted.
This argument is bogus anyway.
The problem is not that the Ikitursa was dominating the Abyss, it’s that no other ships were made to compete with it.
There is always a top ship for any activity, what you do is introduce a varied amount of options that have the same design/power level to compete with it, not just sit there and lament that Ikitursas are too strong.
I think CCP is trying to solve the wrong problem with those formats and Seasons:
Rotating Formats and Seasons are made to introduce Variety and remove Boredom
NOT to introduce or solve Balancing.
There should be a base competing format, and formats, that players always have access to, base open 1v1, base open 3v3, open 5-player FFA, for example, with rotations alongside it to keep things fresh, you balance that standard format, or formats, by introducing options not by flipping and clearing the entire table by getting rid of the format every few days or weeks.
@CCP The current form is okay to test things, but it’s a terrible way in the long run, nobody will be ok having to relearn everything whenever an event end and the new format is introduced.
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There is already one community exist in this game growed into that kind of play style far before it has launched we call it NUL SEC… there is great similarities … Please read down there …
Well of course… In Eve you can go over your head everywhere … also trying to shoot at some ice in the first day of game … works .? works… Its not even rock paper scissors… its paper… I wonder what do you understand from "challenging yourself " but if you see it like oh im 2 mil skill point player i went into a arena and challenge myself against 5b pods and 500m fitted frigates . BUT MOST IMPORTANT : ( you are doing this in an eviroment where many of different PVP fittings mechanics and tactics already sent out of the window due to design of arena ) . and you call this challenge go ahead …
i have 1,6 mil skill point alt toon which i use for training new pilots… last time i had joined to a tournament there was 2-3 mil skill point pilots there win many fights against far more older pilots… by using different fiting and piloting strategies…so Please check this arenas technical limitations down there …
Shitting on the thousands of pilots way of thriving in New EDEN is reallly not good idea . And using that kind of words doesn’t make you better debater… Doesnt makes you seem classy either… It just makes you someone look like " talking but knowing nothing else than spreading some accusations ) … do something good for yourself and hold the lvl and quality higher … Use your knowledge and understanding and please come with some ideas and challenge these observations :
… this is the Meta so far revealed and we observed in these arenas :
this is the data so far we observed in that Arena
Mate, that’s called Ignorance. It doesn’t require guts to put fingers into your ears yelling LALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU LALALALALA. Can’t even blame him, it’s the USAmerican way. He’s right, though, because that stuff ain’t going anywhere.
You wanted my opinion on your post. Sure.
You probably wanted an open and honest opinion,
as you’re used to, but that’ll get me banned for life, independent of your own post.
Super interesting to see people believing that these are high risk fights,
when - in comparison to non-instanced combat - they actually aren’t.
Anyhow… under the assumption that this will stay in the game…
I have nice things to say about this.
Relying on supply and demand to limit the activity isn’t going to work, or happen. There’s no way this isn’t going to attempt to satisfy all the wannabe combattants’ needs for semi-arranged, artificial fights for people who lack actual hunting skills thinking high of themselves. You know, the fantasy-world-living “real” “PvPers” who cry about how unfair the jungle is to their “eliteness”.
Re: Your post:
Having limitations just allows for different types of arenas, with different sets of limitations.
You’re not actually limitting the damage, you’re giving ideas for how to expand it.
Look, I’m actually writing nice things!
Yeah, this is really, really nice compared to what I should be writing. 
Still drinking coffee and writing on mobile,
so I hope my post fits the bill in here.
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And here comes one of the specimen I was talking about.
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I have genuine trouble understanding what you are trying to say, and I don’t think the problem comes from me. I don’t say that to be mean.
What are you saying exactly, that because there is already a Null-Sec community there is no need for an Abyssal community or that the Null-Sec community already does everything the Abyssal would do?
Please clarify.
You are short-sighted, and on purpose visibly.
First thing, you are also constrained in fittings and tactics in Roaming, fitting an AB is dumb for example if you are roaming Null-Sec, just that eliminates a lot of ships.
And this is not a bad thing.
Limitations and Constraints breed meaningful Creativity, actually they are the only thing that breed meaningful Creativity.
You are so blinded by your idealized idea of Roaming that you do not see the very shortcomings in it that you accuse Abyssal PvP of having.
Looking at multiple people, in multiple avenues, in multiple spaces, you don’t need to be a genius to see that Roaming is dying. The fact that you have arranged fights was a pretty big sign that people are less willing to make those happen organically.
Again, I’m not saying it to be mean, I also see the Solo PvPers in FW, they fight each others all the time and you don’t see a surge of people joining them.
It’s a clear sign of Cannibalism, you shouldn’t deny it, what you should care about is how can it be reversed so that more and more people want to roam.
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Abyssal community is generalization are you also including PVE community too? this is out of subject atm … And the text i had quoted not about community “needs” more about general popular fly styles in nul sec and similarities with the modules and fly style this arena relase push to players due to its set up… Its more technical theory crafting lvl evaluation im not suprised you are having hard times to keep up with that technical details and bring NO challenging comment at all…
As you said … In null sec "flying AB dumb " thats a paralell pattern we observed in this arenas. thanks for confirmation … but still i know time by time there is people go for AB in null to rare cases fro spesific purpose . But in that arena NO NO
In psychologhy human creativity induces by several conditions… Yes limiting some attributes may induce creativity… but Dont get confused here … to give you better example : if you give a kido paper and pens that can induce creativity . BUT if tha paper you give to a kido already contain some premade drawing… thats what we call it painting book… and TOday all pedagogs mentiones that painting books only teach kids TO STAY INSIDE THE LINES … but diminishes the creativity .
In current arena settings as i mentioned it has already draw so sharp lines and already exclude the most important basic tackle modules… and eliminate the AB and great variety of tanking invalide… this is drawing lines … and this is not the PVP we are missing ,
thank you so much for mentioning that … and yes that is fact… solo /small gang PVP is dying… but thats is not only on us there is also greatly on CCP and his releases…
im an CANNIBAL thank you so much… let me share something with you…
https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98516553/
see our z killboard??? red and bad …Countless people use this board against us…
well we do help new pilots and grow them into pvp… I do give full scholarship all off them, Give them more than enough to buy some modules and experiment go out and explode … meanwhile they figure out how to become self sufficient …
so that 69 bil come out of my Zwallet pretty much …
I do also throwing charity events… fill two bowheads in amar with fitted frigates undock and open it to rookie players less than 30 days old…They come to amarr And reship from bowheds unlimited… i do keep 2 veteran pilot with them to answer their questions and defend the fleet … so they are taking their first fights get thrilled and hooked up… i figured out this is one of the best ways to breake some indy corps systematic brainwash on rookie help channel to scare them off from pvp and make them hate us
i value t1 lines and meta gaming … and also believe that PVP should be affordable light hearted and fun … less grinding /more action
instead of flying 3b fitted ship and go and loose it i can fit 400 ships and giveaway people… so they can come to our mutual hunting grounds… give also content to you to me to all of us …
thats what i am doing this is the way i play… and im not expecting you to respect this…
i had seen your perspective pretty much clean up to now …
and i have zero intentions to enter my dick is bigger stuff with you because i dont have even one lol
i just love and care people…
i do care about our habitat …our stomping grounds …
this is non profit community focuse corporation and im leading it … some of the best well known solo skirmish PVPers supporting this project and we are already recognised and respected by many corp /aliance leaders who is coming from same tradition with us and still yet we dont go into any aliance and prefer to stay neutral
and thats the thing where my heart really is and dreaming and working about to make it through
https://www.eternalwar.org/items-8/Mutual-War-Concept
My 3 month old proteges hitting over 100 solo killmails under 3 month no injection no implants no faction frigates… And this is … release… IF you are seriously concerning about our ROAMING without blaming me by ruining it with CANNINBALISM… can you tell me how this Abyssal Arena will contribute the content in our stomping grounds???
When i see 2 days old player in low sec trying to do something… fit something by lean on his limited experience … Im totally get thrilled … i adore their courage. love that spirit… as we ass many other pilots in our grounds… when we see that on killmail… most of us just reimburse it give some fit sugestions trying to talk to them …
You sound like someone in love.
And like anyone too in love with their own idea it’s useless to talk to you.
Great, you are a saint that loves and cherish T1 ships and newbies.
Too bad CCP can’t rely entirely on you to run their entire business and new player acquisition, I suspect that the introduction of those Proving Grounds and the Abyssal community will attract and nurture more players than you ever did.
I also predict that your Roaming playstyle will die and deserve to die until it finds a more accomodating, practical, and meaningful form instead of the diseased husk you are enamored to.
/Done
Edit: Maybe it’s the language barrier but a phenomenon being cannibilizing is not a pejorative, it’s an observation. I obviously don’t think you eat human meat, duh!!
Please read this link carefull … this is truly Player driven sand box pvp … and is definition of real CREATIVE pvp… with no lines and borders…
todays some of the best PVPers of New Eden coming from this tradition … I grow into PVP in this tradition… First day when i join and undock in high sec… 2 of best solo /skirmish PVP ers of this game had been sitting in front of me and they popped me insta! again and again !! they had been other sides pilots… but eventually those two pilot trained me over years encouraged me and helped me to learn …and become my closest friends …
just to give you a glympse of a tradition exist in eve once upon a time and for over a decade… and disappeard after CCP introducing tons of bits and pieces releases something like that …
And therefor some of the best pvpers corp and aliance leaders aware about our project and You cant imagine how many veterans longing for that meanwhile pilots who start playing last 3-4 years has zero idea about this concept existance and they cant wrap their head around it …
So me being short eye sided , blinded CANINBALL … reaD that link carefull… and tell me As someone who experience this traditions beauty… someone who found her best friends behind the enemy lines … how i will be satisfy with that release… and digest it… cant you see the beauty this bring to community???
Doesnt worth to fight for it???
I’ll just refute all of your points in one single comment because it’s easier.
Cannibalism: you’re thinking that we’re fighting against each other and we’re unorganized so you think we’re cannibals. This is not correct. Sharing habitats and fighting each other lies in any human civilization. That’s what people do all the time.
Metagame: there’s going to be less meta game. One thing I’ve learned from throwing away frigs in PVP is the importance of CONTEXT. It’s that that determines everything. Range control. Shorter range ammo has better tracking because the ships are orbiting at higher speed and velocity, so a longer range ammo can’t possibly hit something zooming orbit at 500m. With longer range, the short range ammo guy simply fails to shoot the opponent. This is absent in the new abyssal PVP (as well as the old one, but that one the meta game lies in being able to fit a ship good for both winning the PVP and the PVE, which is actually more difficult). The new abyssal PVP dictates starting range, which is vital in a fight. For example, I like to sit in PLEXes waiting for hunters, so I can blap them at my optimal. If I was in a kiter and I warped into a dramiel, I’m dead. If I was in a dramiel and I warped into a kiter 20km away I’m also dead. (wait is dramiel the serpentis frigate? I get them mixed up sometimes, the point is that it’s made for blasters). You sit at 65. This means the meta is going to be very very kitey, like nano stuff. This is even more important as people can’t even warp off, meaning boom, you don’t have to stay at range 24km, you can go off to 200km as long as you can maintain that distance!
Nullsec: in nullsec the meta is similar to the meta that would be in Abyssal PVP. This means nullsec PVPers would get a skill advantage both ingame and out of game.
Constraint in tactics while open world PVP: there are less restraints compared to abyssal (less things that are idiotic). Yes, nullsec people rarely use AB, but in lowsec the brawling meta is full AB. You would never dictate range if you go MWD in scram range against another brawler or a scram kiter, and won’t be fast enough to catch kiters. In abyssal PVP there’s an OP meta. (to be honest it might get better down to frigates because they don’t really have the ability to go off to 65, so the range might end up still being about 30, which is still a problem but less of one)
Dying roaming: damn, we should rep roaming. How do we do that? We introduce a “viable alternative” to it that would certainly not get everybody to not roam at all! That’s a brilliant idea! (Theres actually still gonna be some roamers but their primary target is gonna be PVEers. Even the nullsec bloc response fleets wouldn’t be so good because they can now find PVP elsewhere. They’d probably just let the ratters and miners dock up or find another system.)
Dunno if there’s anything I missed or anything you want to add. Just say it. Don’t go “this is cannibalism” though, because this is EvE.
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Yes … thats the idea he is standing up for and he truly believes that :
even though i had explained its not accurate with Psychological /intellectual induce mechanisms of creativity … No go…He have no reasonable explanation for this theory in the context of we are talking about… but he uses a memorised sentence… With no questioned background … yes that sentence can be accurate in some different context… but not in this context… therefor he cannot defend solid this idea and reason it in this given context… because so far i i have asked him to challenge me with context in theory crafting lvl… so far nothing came out of it …
About Calling us CANNINBALLS and telling we should do something about to support roaming … And i had shared with him one unique beautifull Player driven sand box PVP content example exist in EvE online … and 1.5 years tormendous amount of effort to support new players and support increase content in our hunting grounds … that was his answer :
And all over i had challenged him to come with some ideas and challenge me with the statements i had summarised up there around Theory Crafting about current meta ( which requires knowledge and understanding about the fittings mechanics tactics and piloting strategises )
He havent wrote any single answer regarding to focuse on these open to debate statements … which actually reflects the curent meta of these abbysal arenas … Also totally supports my thesis here.
But no he didnt have any single words…
so as a result… cleanly i would say up to now he is sharing and writing some more memorised sentences but doesnt come with any reasoning which supports his ideas and reflect questioning … believing something without capable of enough intellectual reasoning to back it up is … dangerous…
He thinks that this all legacy and a decade tradition of eve is my own idea…
And that doesnt change the reality is that concept still the community driven habitat and great engine to induce creativity… and that all he can say… thats clean distortion and not healthy
AGAIN no ideas to back it up
so far he is just throwing some wrods like short seein canninblaists… you
Beyond all these… He call this Abyysal arena thingy as community
yes there is an Null sec community and high sec community … people living and thriving together and they have ties to each other and effect their habitat together have history together … fight together or against each other … PVP should be supported and encouraged in its natural enviroment
max 15 min random queued fights in abbysal arenas?? community… yes… yes…
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Damnnn i woke up way so late 
\o/ in fact havent sleep thats why … 
right 15 min …