Spectre & Meltdown - An Update From The EVE Online Dev Team!

(Sasha Viderzei) #21

Problem with CPU ? Why don’t they simply train CPU Management ?

Here, problem solved.

run away

(Ima Wreckyou) #22

Unfortunately GPUs seam to be vulnerable as well :scream:

If anyone is interested in understanding how those attacks work in principal, the Raspberry Pi guys did a pretty good job at explaining some of the fundamentals so that mortals may be able to get at least some insight: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/why-raspberry-pi-isnt-vulnerable-to-spectre-or-meltdown/

(CPuiu) #23

will there any graphs posted outside of what we got on twitter already?

(Matthias Ancaladron) #24

There goes my 12-15 fps.
Can’t wait for 8-10 on min settings to be the new normal.
Yet another reason to not log in anymore

(slphy vansyl) #25

good! my cpu run more since few time while running the game… i ended to think i’ll dig for bitcoin :stuck_out_tongue:
but yes, hope the fix make my pc run smoother than now, i even low the graphic but it dont solve anything…
wait and see…

(Toran Mallow) #26

WTF? My bitcoin mining cuda code could be leaking my darkest secrets?

(Steve Ronuken) #27

GPUs are far less likely to handle sensitive information. They generally don’t have generic memory access, in the same way as CPUs do.

(I’ll admit, it’s entirely possible I’m missing something. Patches are a good idea)

(Chocolate Pickle) #28

To be frank, this fuckup is on Intel, not CCP.

(Ima Wreckyou) #29

That depends if you think all the stuff on your screen is sensitive, which it probably is. Also the GPU has direct access to the main memory via DRM independent of the CPU.

Anyway, they just released an updated version with a fix which may or may not have a performance impact. http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4611 not really clear if the issue is actually in the GPU or in the driver parts running on the CPU. Too bad this is all closed and we will not be able to see what they actually changed.

(Kenneth Endashi) #30

I appreciate the hard work you do, CCP, but I resent the assertion you care about protecting us on the forum from outside attackers while at the same time forcing forum users to connect to outside services - namely, Google - just to authenticate at forums.eveonline.com

THIS presents users with a far greater and even more credible threat, especially when compared to the still-hypothetical existence of Spectre or Meltdown which still haven’t been used in the wild, but attacks against Google and privacy invasions by Google happen as a matter of protocol.

But hey, install your updates and we’ll be fine, right?


What? Had a 970 GTX, the GPU usage went to 25-30% in big fights, getting 10-15 FPS, switched to a 1080 this year, now getting the same frame rate, but 15-20% GPU usage instead. CPU is the same, I7 4790K (one of the best single-core performers), and Eve is running one core at max during big fights and that’s about it (no more than 25-30% usage overall on CPU).

Could you elaborate on this? I could run a LogLite session if you want

(Rhyx Mormarteno) #32

Login servers for fornite got hit with huge cpu load increase

@ PS1
Possible data coruption with patch + possible malfunctions of anti virus software (if you want to update make sure to back up important files and game saves if you have them localy not on steam cloud or anywhere outside of your pc)

(Xenuria) #33

This sounds really interesting, how will it effect TiDi?

(Rakshasa Taisab) #34

Having looked at the vulnerabilities it should be possible for CCP to run without the KPTI fix (kernel-page-table-isolation) on those hosts, assuming they do not mix sol node vm’s with any vm that users might exploit.

(Alexzander Philip Starwalker) #35

Space the final frontier. ( so now i have more issues and this time i cant get tin and i know it is not my desk top system.

(Alexzander Philip Starwalker) #36

space the final frontier, ( well all raiser stun but the effect for the Klingons are still able to target the warp drives. i can not play now its stooped my system to enter the game if you need to know out of star trek talk.

(Matthias Ancaladron) #37

That’s entirely true. But alot of people can’t afford fancy computers and such. My old laptop struggle enough on low settings. Intel is trash

(GsyBoy) #38

I am running a 7700 i7 with a 1080 11Gb and Eve runs between 20-35% of CPU and 30-50% of GPU. This has made multiboxing my 7 man ice mining gang impossible.

(yellow parasol) #39

You can save a lot of cpu by turning off sound completely. Did you know EVE has sound? Many don’t!

(Trevor Dalech) #40

Last I heard, all chips since 1995 are affected. You must have a very old computer.

From what I understand (and I’m not an electrical/hardware/cpu engineer), it’s using a very inventive way to work around some extremely basic and fundamental CPU design paradigms. It’s either the fault of every electrical engineer and computer scientist in the world… or it’s just really smart.