Player count dropped far less in the same time than the steep drop of Namdor’s chart:
So on average the amount of ganks per capita still went down.
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Player count not alt botting accounts.
So divide by 2.5, the last number CCP gave us for the alt to player ratio.
It’s funny how people shouting about their feelings, how they’re oppressed and how other people are a problem, really don’t like facts, numbers and plain ole logic.
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I’m not aware of any data available to players that shows this has substantially changed since 2014/2015 but as soon as you post it I will be happy to incorporate it.
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The funniest part of every “ganking whine thread” is how predictable the replies are.
First comes the “Yawn” crowd, who think mocking people counts as an argument.
Then someone asks for “sources,” knowing full well CCP doesn’t publish ganking stats.
Finally, someone writes a wall of text ending with “it depends who you ask.”
Meanwhile, nothing has changed. Organized gankers face almost no real risk because tags erase consequences, and the ships they lose cost less than the ammo they fire. CCP measures “activity” through destruction numbers, so as long as people keep dying, they call it balance.
Risk isn’t the same as cost. When you can recycle alts, buy back security status, and profit on almost every kill, that’s not risk. That’s a broken reward loop disguised as sandbox freedom.
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Of course ganking has got way out of hand ( or so it seems ) for too many players in Hi-sec look like ambulant Chinese buffet but there is Low-sec where gankers don’t exist, just regular PvPers. That is like drag the shark unto the beach an BBQ it.
They only use gankers-aproved vocabulary probably the same sentences since 15 years annd their default stance is mockery much easier than use reflexion and reason.
Whatever it may be, I will not hang around in Hi-sec like sitting duck to find out.
Hi,
I would say I am a fairly active ganker.
AMA.
CCP is not publishing it, but there are other sources where killmails can be reviewed and statistically evaluated if there was a need for it. So I’m not sure why you don’t know about those basic services that were already linked in this thread? So you could fetch the information if you wanted.
2.5? Is that true?
I thought it is way higher.
That highsec gank label is useless.
How so?
Even if the label isn’t completely 100% accurate, the trend is still clear.
Here is a ganker, how many times do you see the label? Once in a page of ganks! The label is useless and is essentially random. WhaleHunter01 | Character | zKillboard
Happy to incorporate your better data once you provide it.
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It’s hard to tell with certainty that a kill in HS is a gank if there is no corresponding CONCORD loss. Some could have been legal attacks through suspect baiting or war targets. Probably not, but how could Zkillboard tell for certain?
As I said, the label may not be 100% accurate.
However, assuming that there is no significant change in the accuracy over the years, the downward trend of Namdor’s post is still a big one.
I would say there is less now yes. Just wanted to point out that the label isn’t of much use and is only on a few percent of ganks.
Even if the label only shows on half the ganks, we can clearly see that ‘half the ganks’ 10 years was a lot more than ‘half the ganks’ today!
yes. i think good targets have been harder to find.
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Just like antigank is limited by the amount of ganking, ganking is limited by the amount of inexperienced targets, its never been easier to research how to travel safer.