I bet. You act like actions don’t spur on reactions. Your systems are held by our forces right?
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If that’s your plan, good luck. You will need it before the end.
One man’s apocalypse is another man’s victory.
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Pretty clear which one you’re working toward.
When your opponent is busy making themselves look bad all by themselves, there is no reason to interfere. (Corollary: if you can see the opponent looks like a moron in public, so can the general audience. No need to point it out to them; just sit back and enjoy the show.)
Credit to Elsebeth Rhiannon, PR 101
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While I agree with what you said, have I ever come across as a good diplomat or good at pr to you?
I just think it’s funny to watch an Amarr ‘loyalist’ try to come up with excuses for why he’s disobeying an Heir in the specific parts of space and specific purposes—the CEWPA war in that part of lowsec—that the Empress has given that Heir direct command over.
‘No, your Imperial Majesty, I know Lord Sarum’s specifically declared doing exactly what I’m doing to be treason, but it’s totally not because I said so!’
I imagine that line of reasoning is going over about as well as a granite flotation device.
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Hey, somebody gets why I find this funny…
Plexing is more than profitable enough to fund any new solo pilot, much less a pilot in an established militia corporation that should be able to hand out plexing ships by the dozens. Mission LP requires just as much logistics effort as plexing LP, and if mission running is so much safer than plexing that just illustrates how little use it actually is to the war effort. Anyway, it would be less than a trifle for the 24th Imperial Crusade or Tribal Liberation Force to reallocate LP / Isk funds from mission payments to better reward those who capture combat plexes instead.
Mission running profiteers are a cancer on the warzone. Clearly there are flaws in the A/M Warzone Accord, but the fact that pilots and organizations with such longstanding loyalty have been pushed this far without recognition of such rampant corruption by Empire leaders is a travesty.
Those militia pilots who signed this accord didn’t betray their governments, the governments have betrayed the militias by allowing this corruption to fester. After over a decade of service in the warzone, I am saddened to see these betrayals continue, but I am not surprised.
I don’t care about profeteering, I don’t care about mercenaries, I don’t care about who will take which side.
All enemies of the State WILL DIE!
Let your opponent sharpen their sword before watching them fall on it?
I will use your own words from another post regarding loyalty as a retort to your above comment.
As an example: A man serves his lord. The lord is prone to fits of depression and self-harm. If, in the throes of this depression, the lord orders the servant to bring him a firearm so that the lord can commit suicide, should the servant obey? The stance taken by the Exubitoris would see the servant do exactly that, and the lord then kill himself.
This is not service. This is not loyalty.
Service would demand that in such a situation, the truly loyal servant must have the courage to risk his lord’s wrath with disobedience. He must have the courage to say ‘no, sir, I cannot. If refuse out of concern for your welfare’. And it may be that this act will result in discipline. It is entirely possible that by disobeying, he enrages his lord and is punished and/or harmed for his insolence. That does not change the fact that his act was the loyal choice, and the choice of faithful service, rather than mere obedience. It simply highlights that true service often requires courage.
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Those who signed this deal have been among the most prolific in running those missions.
You must have a peculiar definition of betrayal if handing over so many populated worlds to an enemy does not meet it.
For quite some time, what they wanted to do coincided with what the Empire needed of them. I do not believe the majority of them have ever been loyal to anything but their greed and bloodlust.
@Ascentior @Gaven_Lok_ri
You’re keeping in step
In the line
Got your chin held high and you feel just fine
'cause you do
What you’re told
But inside your heart it is black and it’s hollow and it’s cold
Just how deep do you believe?
Will you bite the hand that feeds?
Will you chew until it bleeds?
Can you get up off your knees?
Are you brave enough to see?
Do you wanna change it?
What if this whole crusade’s a charade
And behind it all there’s a price to be paid
For the blood on which we dine
Justified in the name of the holy and the divine
Just how deep do you believe?
Will you bite the hand that feeds?
Will you chew until it bleeds?
Can you get up off your knees?
Are you brave enough to see?
Do you wanna change it?
So naive
I keep holding on to what I wanna believe
I can see
But I…
Nine Inch Nails
I’m familiar with their history, some of our most enduring mercenaries ones I’ve followed the careers of and at times found myself rooting for. Never naïve enough to quite lose sight of what they are.
Their current tantrum illustrates their priorities. Profit, and the notion that the warzone is their playground.
That they with terrorists who wish for the destruction of our people have conspired to impose such privations on so many people, because they feel the wrong ones were being paid.
You’re quite right, mercifully your kind of loyalty is uncommon.
Sure. But that doesn’t mean any of that holds any weight with the people you’re trying to use it with. In fact, if you look at the responses, you can see it pretty clearly doesn’t.
So, with that in mind, and knowing that Sarum is less forgiving than say, a softie like Mitara Newelle, you’re still trying it. To me, that’s funny.
Now, if you’re going to go quoting me, you should pay especial attention to this bit:
What you are doing here is an attempt to escape those consequences. If you want to take a stand on principles, then good for you! You do that!
And then stand proudly, head high, as you face the repercussions and pay whatever price your actions extract, unflinchingly, eyes open. Don’t try to use the words of a Minmatar and a Goon to avoid and evade responsibility for your choices. Be a goddamned adult, not a child playing some half-assed game.
So? I’ve earned millions of loyalty points running missions myself. That’s how I know just how broken the system is. What I’ve earned from them went right into funding more combat ships to keep up the fight, and was a drop in the ocean compared to what the farmers using illegal AI enhancements earn.
They agreed to trade systems under a status quo where neither side had launched major ground assaults of contested worlds in the past. It was their leaders who decided to escalate the conflict to an unprecedented level specifically to undermine the Accord.
I find it deeply disingenuous that many of the loudest voices criticizing this Accord were the very same people who spent years deriding the CEWPA conflict as the “Pendulum War” and claiming it had no impact on the local planetary populations. Obviously the Accord has flaws, GMVA leadership was particularly wary of pursuing a similar deal because of the history of economic and political exploitation of Federal Defense Cordon worlds by State Protectorate forces.
This conflict has been a “dirty war” from the start, and it is pathetic to see you so called “knights” and “paladins” pretending that your hands are clean. I have more respect for people who at least attempted to take pragmatic action in response to the reality of this ongoing conflict. No respect at all for petty government officials far from the front lines who have decided to interfere now after years of neglect and corruption.
Did you do it intensively in the months before lobbying for the expulsion of your paymasters?
You say this as though what? It’s not a betrayal? Intentional relinquishment of sovereign territory for personal profit and aggrandisement is always betrayal.
You grasp for the status quo, how moronic. They seek to destroy it and impose a new one, if they were counting upon it to protect civilians they’re as foolish as you are, more likely the fate of those dwelling on the planets was given no thought.
War is neither dirty nor clean, it’s just war. I have spilled more than my share of blood, and when my time comes to be judged I pray that the ends justified those means. Such is the calculus of any soldier who has had to make hard choices, Knight, Paladin or otherwise.
The choice you defend was not a soldier’s choice, there was no ambiguity. In success or failure a great many were going to die, their success is measured in wealth and infamy. They’re not soldiers, they’re pirates.
Feel free to squander whatever credibility you have further defending the honour of a cohort of pirates who abandoned any pretext of true loyalty a long time before this disgraceful accord.
Tiresome posturing. Nothing in my comments had anything to do with their honor, if there is such a thing among any of you slave trading cultists. I’ve lived in the pragmatic reality of this war for over a decade. I’ve seen how abuse of the mission rewards drove the true profiteers and mercenaries who switch sides back and forth. When there was nothing for the truly loyal to do but fortify our few home systems and wait for the tide to change. No government did anything to address this any of the past times that entire warzones flipped. You cloak yourself in the approval of your petty masters, but the truth is that instead of these few mission systems being at risk you and your ilk would perpetuate a system where profiteers drive the loss of every system on either side back and forth in perpetuity.
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