I would consider a more apt synopsis in relation to what I wrote to be: The children of Amarr do not forget; and it is only God who forgives.
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It is only god who forgives, as a servant to your god shouldnāt you be following itās lead? If he forgives shouldnāt you? Nevermind we need not be forgiven for defending ourselves.
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Because it is only those in Covenant with the Lord God who can beg forgiveness for our sins against the Almighty. Hence the Destiny of Faith in the Reclaiming, to bring the heathen into Covenant with God so that they may beg for His forgiveness for their original sin of rebellion against Him.
But itās not a matter of begging forgiveness, itās a matter of your god not actively taking the lead. Your ancestors chose your own actions long ago, using scriptures your ancestors wrote. Or did this god hand deliver it to your ancestors? What is only apparent here is that your ancestors took liberties with what your god may have said (itās the Amarr faith after all, faith not fact) and their descendants use that as justification as if it came from your Godās mouth.
Consider this me questioning your logic, not attacking it. If I was attacking it I would have more choice words to use.
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However, it is. True forgiveness and the final abjuration of sin is the prerogative of God towards those in Covenant with Him. As such, when I said, āOnly God Forgives,ā It is a tacit acceptance of the prerogatives of God in granting absolution of sins ā to assert otherwise on my part would be blasphemy.
Iām not addressing the matter of forgiveness, only the justification of your peopleās enforcement of my people seeking it. Personally I see no reason to even concern myself with your god, to have faith is to believe, to believe does not necessarily mean itās fact. There certainly are facts to the contrary of your beliefs.
Do you actually have a justification of why your ancestorsā words should force their will on my people? Your ancestorsā literature is not an answer worth much to the rest of the cluster. And Iām interested in more than the standard āour god will it.ā It wills it from hersay. If it didnāt write the scriptures it is not itās word, only your ancestorsā interpretation of what it may or may not have said.
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The First Principles of the Amarr Faith are:
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God exists
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Gheinok was His First Prophet
If one does not accept these First Principles then they are an Unbeliever in rebellion against God and must be Reclaimed by the Faithful for the sin of their rebellion cannot be permitted to exist as I have already outlined previously.
It never pays to attempt rational discourse with a slaver zealot. Their ultimate answer will always be, āGod said soā.
The FACT is that a thousand years ago the Amarr attacked my ancestors unprovoked and murdered, kidnapped, raped, tortured and experimented upon them by the billions. They subjugated us for hundreds of years during which time they nearly exterminated our culture and history. They nearly wiped out the entire Starkmanir Tribe by orbital bombardment of their home world. And all this was justified by their so-called holy mandate.
Sorry slaver, you can use all the florid prose you want but at the end of the day youāve committed crimes so heinous that no civilized society could ever condone.
You say that you donāt forget. Well, neither do we. Weāll fight you to our last breath rather then ever be enslaved by you again.
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The only truly civilized society is the Holy Empire of Amarr for it remains the sole society in Covenant with God and since the Reconquista of the Minmatar was launched by His Light and His Will, then everything that was done to the Minmatar was condoned and sanctioned both by the Word of the His Imperial Majesty Damius III as Divine Logos of God and by the doctrines of the Faith against the Unbeliever.
Well said @Anabella_Rella well said. Though I still would prefer to at least try and understand the thought process behind it, even that last reply could be summed up as āthe book my ancestors wrote saysā¦ā Without the scriptures, how do you know this to even be true? One could say the same about our oral history but the difference is those people telling could only exist due to those who they speak of, much as we can only exist due to the ones we tell stories of existed.
Much of the scriptures very well could be true (science parts, ect) but itās basis is unverified. Sound belief can really only be based on a basis of at least limited fact to any rational person. Where is that exactly in this?
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People, please. Itās just one more nutbag zealot, same as all the other nutbag zealots. Thereās nothing to say that Autocannons wouldnāt say far more eloquently.
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Thatās stopped them from multiplying in the past? Forgive me for trying a new angle.
Not saying itās wrong, Iām just reserving it for a last resort.
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Good point Miz. Hopefully this one will stop talking long enough to actually undock and put her lasers where her big mouth is.
Iāll be looking for this one in the war zone next time Iām there.
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The ālast resortā became the only remaining resort the moment they declared their axioms. You canāt argue against those fallacies. Itās something they have to grow out of themselves, then you can start talking.
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Admittedly Iām coming to that conclusion to be honest. Canāt say I didnāt at least try right?
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ā¦ and Aria wonders why Iāve gone to a default position of ābuy more bulletsā. But sure, @Deitra_Vess letās try something else for a change.
Hey, @Vykiomi_Kezak-Akarin:
When did this happen? Roughly.
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It is good to see that someone paid attention to their education. That seems far too rare among capsule capable individuals. @Vykiomi_Kezak-Akarin
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I donāt so much wonder as think itās pretty sad.
If I look at you the way you look at the Amarr, I should be assuming youāre all just like Mizhara. ā¦ And I should be killing as many Republic Matari as I can, and encourage others to do the same, to help make sure you never have the numbers to challenge the Empire for real.
At one time not so long ago-- at the height of our arguments-- I was about ready to start on that kind of policy. It was Deitra who talked me out of it. If sheās having second thoughts, that would be even sadder.
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Between 15 and 20 thousand years ago.
I donāt know to be honest, itās not really second thoughts itās more less, āis the effort going to actually be worth it?ā I donāt really think I need to say it but firing bullets is easier than projecting ideas. I would hope some form of at least neutrality can be achieved but looking at those who are up and coming from both sides to be honest, itās a little disheartening.
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