The Ditanian Fleet Incursion community


(ExcalibursTemplar) #1

Hello there, today I’d like to let people know about the Incursion community The Ditanian Fleet (TDF). We’re an open newbro friendly group that anyone is welcome to fly with. Well as long as you don’t have killrights against you or any ongoing wardec, That’s mainly for your own safety as we don’t want you to die. We also exclude anyone that has previous history of ganking highsec incursion runners for fleet safety reasons.

The Ditanian Fleet is an armor doctrine incursion community. We run everything from Vanguards (10 person), to Assaults (20 person), To Headquarters (40 person) Incursion sites. We have fleet commanders from all over the world so you should be able to, as long as there is enough people, find at least a Vanguard fleet up and running. The Assault and Headquarters fleet tend to run more in the evening 15:00 evetime on wards weekdays. Weekends Headquarter fleet can be up 24/7. Also the backbone of our doctrine is made up of Armor tanked battleships.

Note1: We are always looking for more fleet commanders to run fleets. If that’s your thing come join us, let us get to know you, try and train up and max out one battleship. There’s no need to train for a fleet booster as we have many people capable of boosting the fleet. Once you’ve got that one maxed out Battleship and we’ve got to know you speak to one of our Trainer FC about joining the FC team.

Note2: Alpha are welcome on a limited time basis. Although we do expect you to upgrade to Omega as soon as possible though. Which as we make over 100+ mill an hour in raw ISK not counting loyalty points. It shouldn’t take you to long to do. The reason for this is to keep the fleet standards as high as possible to maintain fast site completion times.

Note3: More useful links for those that don’t read this post all the way to the bottom.

Joining fleet for the first time

TDF Fleet MOTD explained with Roles and Anchoring points

Armor Vs Shields

Unsure about joining an Armor fleet due to your skills being mainly for shield tanking, well think on this. If you can fit a Tech 2 damage control unit (hull upgrades level 4), which is a requirement for any shield fleet. Then all you need to get, to start of with, are the Armor compensation skills trained up to lvl 3 and Armor rigging to lvl 3 to fly with us. Which should if irrc only take around 24 hours at most.

The advantages an Armor fleets has over a shield fleet are simply this :-

  • Armor fleets are far safer, as your tank is not cap dependent. So if you get neuted out by say an Outuni npc which has capital sized neuts your tank wont turn off. We also use the Nestor battleship which is equal to two conventional tech 2 cruiser logi. The Marauders like the Kronos and Paladin also carry armor repairers and the new Precursor battleship the Leshack has enough constant repping power it’s equal to 0.55 cruiser logi. So we have more reps then we could ever need on grid at anyone time ready to save your ship.

  • Also due to the low slots being used for tanking the mid slots on your ship are freed up for damage application mods. Which allows us to kill NPC much faster.

  • It used to be that shield fleets had the most dps. That’s no longer true thanks to the Leshack & Nestor. With every Nestor on grid we can remove a Tech 2 cruiser logi and add another DPS or sniper boat. Then there’s the Leshack, It starts of DPS wise as equivalent to a shield Nightmare battleship. In 30 to 40 seconds it’s on par with a shield Vindicator. At full ramp up it’s like having a maxed out blinged fit pve carrier on grid, dps wise.

  • Your also less likely to be a target of gankers if you fly in an armor fleet. Shield fleets use Pithum A-types adaptive Invuls that cost around 1.5 billion ISK each. You can get the armor equivalent A-type EANM for nearly half the price.

Ok for the brand newbro.

What are Incursions?

Incursions are automated events introduced with the Incursion expansion in which the NPC faction known as the Sansha’s Nation, led by Sansha Kuvakei , invade space in an attempt to conquer it for themselves. Capsuleers must fight off Sansha’s forces in order to return the contested space back into an area which can be more safely occupied.

High-end PvE fleet content

Incursions are high-end PvE fleet content, well above that of regular level four missions and have more in common with level five missions than anything else. The introduction of incursions to the game added some much needed incentive for fleet content in highsec. It also gave people a very controlled environment to train up their skills as a logistics pilot as well as giving people a feel for organized fleets outside of general PvP.

Contrary to missions, incursion fleets rely on buffers and resists supported by logistics ships in order to survive. The ships you face in incursions use electronic warfare, capacitor warfare as well as playing on speed and signature to their advantage. This forces incursion fleets to find ways around that in order to be successful.

To find us in game join the chat channel TDF-Official . You can do this by clicking the little plus button where your chat window is at the top. Then in the channels box type TDF-Official and then click join.

Once you join the TDF chatroom you should see some writing. That writing is called the Message of the day (MOTD) read it all carefully as it should explain many of your questions. Like where we are, if the fleet is running or not. It should also have several mailing list listed which have the recommend fits that are covered by our ship replacement program (SRP).

TDF-FITS VG1 (VG Fitting’s)
TDF-FITS HQ1 (ASS/HQ Fitting’s)
TDF-IMPLANTS (Recomended Implants)
TDF-SSS VG1 (Special VG Fitting’s)

To join the mailing lists open up your evemail and then at the bottom left click add mailing list. In the box that opens type the name of the mailing list then click join

Note: TDF-FITS VG1 are the Vanguard fits TDF-FITS HQ1 are fits for the big 40 person sites. You need a microwarp drive and more tank to fly HQ sites.


The mailing list has a nice wide selection of fits covered by ship replacement program (SRP) starting with Apocalypse/Megathron/Tempest up to the advanced fits of Paladin/Kronos/Leshark/Vindicator/Nightmare/Machariel.

Pick a fit you would like to fly. If you need help just ask in the chat channel for any advice getting setup. The general rule of thumb is when we run Vanguards you need 9850 raw armor + 55% min omni resists for tank. For assaults & HQ you need 17k raw armor + 65% min omni resists for tank.


Now you have your ship setup you’re nearly there and ready to join fleet. First things first, you need to make sure your safety is set to green. You can see this buy undocking your ship. Once in space make sure you have a green button just to the top left of the Shield/Armor/Hull. Safety%20to%20green

While out in space also make sure your shield/armor/hull alarms are turned on and set to 95%. You do this by clicking on the hamburger menu to the bottom right of your shield/armor/hull and then click the configure ship health alerts.

Another thing you can do while in space is to set your drones to passive and focus fire. If you have drones in your ships dronebay, this can be done via clicking the hamburger menu in the top left of your drone window.

Again another thing you need to do is to set auto decline to duel invites and to set auto targeting back to zero. By pressing escape and then going to the general settings menu.

Last thing to do now is setup your broadcast while in fleet. First you need to open the fleet window and then click form fleet.

Once you’ve formed a fleet make sure that the broadcast buttons are showing. You do this by making sure the two arrows are pointing downwards. If they are not, click on the arrows to change there direction and show the broadcast buttons. Also make sure there’s a cross in the bottom right hand corner, which indicates that you broadcast to everyone in fleet. If there’s no cross keep clicking on the icon in the bottom right corner until it changes to a cross.

Also whilst you are here you may as well colour code your broadcast settings. So click the hamburger menu in the top right then click broadcast settings. Broadcast%20settings%20v2

Pick whatever colors you would like, below are are the ones i personally use.

Right that’s it for settings, the one last thing you need to do before joining fleet is to have an overview with tags on it preferably with them in the first column. If you don’t know how to set that up look in the TDF-official chat channel and in the Message Of The Day at the bottom you will see TDF_Overview v1 . Click on that and then click yes to load the official TDF overview for incursions.


Note: If you need to reload the MOTD because you can’t see what you need left click the cog wheel in the top right corner then left click reload MOTD.



Joining fleet for the first time

TDF Fleet MOTD explained with Roles and Anchoring points

So on that note if anyone has any questions about TDF or Incursions in general please fire away I’d be more than happy to help and will reply as soon as i can o7

Mods i need to do this, if it’s ok, and segment this post as is getting far to big and i need to add at least triple the amount of information on top. It’s a temporary measure until we can sort something else out.

PvE, Solo: The next step after Level 4 Missions?
(Root'er) #2

Was fun flying with you guys over a weekend, really nice bunch! (thought some FCs are a bit hard to understand at first because of the accent)

(Fluffy Moe) #3

Nice to see new player friendly stuff. Might help if you post which timezones and weekdays you guys are most active on, when you have the most FCs available.

(JoeHangOver) #4

If not runnning all day, they most likely start 15.00 eve time monday -friday, weekend they go crazy starting from 6 am eve time till atlleast 12.00 pm (midnight eutime)

hope that helps:)

(Gregory Seldon) #5

I’ve flown with these guys. Best armor fleet around.

(Anderson Geten) #6


(Rahalla Amnelle) #7

Greetings and thank you for the introductory thread.

I am looking to fly some logi in incursions, and as a newbie to this content, joined the mailing lists and looked up the channel you mentioned.
Unfortunately I did not find anyone responding to my posts asking about TDF in the chat channel, and I also had to realize that the basic logi fits recommended in the mail start at 700m which is really steep for me.
I bring the skills, but the pricetag is tricky.

Are there less expensive alternatives or someone I could mail in-game to discuss basics of running with The Ditanian Fleet?


(ExcalibursTemplar) #8

Hi Rahalla,

There’s a 4/2 guardian that cost 437 mill in Jita now. You’re going to need a cap buddy though so make sure people know that in fleet.

[Guardian, Guardian]
1600mm Steel Plates II
Power Diagnostic System II
Centii A-Type EM Plating
Centii A-Type Thermal Plating
Centii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Sentient Remote Sensor Booster

Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large ‘Regard’ Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Large ‘Regard’ Remote Capacitor Transmitter

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5

Targeting Range Script x1
Scan Resolution Script x1
Nanite Repair Paste x500
ECCM Script x1

There’s also the Oni for around 435 mill

[Oneiros, Oneiros]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Imperial Navy 800mm Steel Plates
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System

Shadow Serpentis Remote Tracking Computer
Shadow Serpentis Remote Tracking Computer
Thukker Large Cap Battery
10MN Afterburner II

Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II

Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II
Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II

Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5

Tracking Speed Script x4
Nanite Repair Paste x500
Optimal Range Script x4

The Oni you can only use in the Vanguard & Assault sites. But you’ll make enough ISK in no time to upgrade so you can get into the HQ sites. Also once you’ve flown with us a bit there’s always loaner ships. Just make sure you contract them back as soon as you leave fleet.

I hope that helps anyway Rahalla o7


[Oneiros, Oneiros]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Capacitor Power Relay II
800mm Steel Plates II

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Remote Tracking Computer II
Remote Tracking Computer II
Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery

Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II

Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II
Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II

Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5

Tracking Speed Script x4
Nanite Repair Paste x500
Optimal Range Script x4

Price is at ~380~ mil and is OK for All HQ Sites except MoM

Upgrade path:
Step 1.)
upgrade 800mm Steel Plates II -> Imperial Navy 800mm Steel Plates 35mil

Step 2)
upgrade 2xRemote Tracking Computer II -> 2xShadow Serpentis Remote Tracking Computer 2x11mil
upgrade Capacitor Power Relay II -> Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay 11mil

Step 3.)
upgrade 2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II -> 2x C-Type EANM 2x115mil
replace Damage Control II -> Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay 22mil
replace Medium Cap Battery II with Shadow Serpentis Remote Tracking Computer 11mil

After the Upgrade the Oneiros should look like this: Oneiros_HQ_Starter

for MoM Refit:
keep Damage Control II & Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery
buy Centum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane 50mil
MoM Refit Oneiros looks like this: Oneiros_HQ/MoM_Starter

If you have these skills trained to lvl5
Remote Armor Repair Systems V
Sensor Linking V
Afterburner V
Fuel Conservation V

(Rahalla Amnelle) #9

Hey again Mr Templar,

thanks for the response and suggesting budget-builds. I was a bit confused at first as I could not find these fits in the extensive mails posted via the TDF_Logi mail-list.
But I see that an update has been posted including them :).
With half the price of the previous recommendations the barrier of entry is a lot lower. Thank you!


(elitatwo) #10

Regarding the Oneiros fit, I hope those storyline remote reps will get less expensive over time. I played with them on SiSi and the difference between the storyline and t2 remote reps is around 4-5 hp/s.
However, the storyline ones are much easier to fit and use less capacitor.

Out of curiosity, do you guys use Augorors as well or are they not useful for incursions?

(ExcalibursTemplar) #11

No sorry Augorors are not used, but we do use the Nestor. Which means you can skip the logistic skill & cruiser skill and concentrate on the support skills instead.

Required Skills for Logi Pilots:
Advanced Target Management III for ALL logi pilots /10 locked targets minimum/, V for Advanced Nestor
Remote Armor Repair Systems IV for Starter logi fits, V for Basic/Advanced fits
Capacitor Emission Systems IV for Starter/Basic 4/2 Guardian, V for 4.5/1 Basic & 5/1 Advanced
Sensor Linking III for starter Oni, IV/V for Basic/Advanced Oni
Afterburner IV+ for all logi cruisers
Fuel Conservation IV+ for all logi cruisers
Evasive Maneuvering III+ for all logi cruisers
Amarr Battleship IV+ for all Nestors

Basic Nestor

[Nestor, Nestor]
Centum B-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum B-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy 1600mm Steel Plates
Imperial Navy 1600mm Steel Plates
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
Shadow Serpentis Damage Control

Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster
Gist X-Type 500MN Microwarpdrive

Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Auto Targeting System II

Large Remote Repair Augmentor II
Large Remote Repair Augmentor II
Large Remote Repair Augmentor II

Heavy Hull Maintenance Bot II x5
Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II x5
Ogre II x5
Heavy Shield Maintenance Bot II x5

Scan Resolution Script x1
Nanite Repair Paste x2000
ECCM Script x1

I’ll have a word with our Resident Pyfe wizard see if we can get the fit cheaper

(Graptharr) #12

as a guy who just finished logi 4 and amarr and gal bs 5, thats makes me happy :slight_smile:

(Kranyoldlady) #13

just come fly with us, let us know your logi 4 and your good

(Anderson Geten) #14

just tried it, very friendly, noob-tolerant and sympathetic community :smiley_cat:

(Graptharr) #15

gotta deal with my poorness first, then ill try it out!

(Nocturan) #16

Just remember Incursions are a way to deal with “poorness”

(Anderson Geten) #17

yes, people came yesterday in mega. Or dominix.

(Xeno Wolf) #18

Really enjoyed my first time doing incursions with this group. Will definitely join again…

(ExcalibursTemplar) #19

You’re more than welcome anytime mate.

We just need more late US & AU players so i can FC more hint hint.

(Tovh) #20

Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?