Ok, cool, so you’re not even talking about the same thing that CCP is address. Now we’ve discovered the root of your issues. You’re getting frustrated because CCP saw that the ecosystem is out of whack and is working to address that, but you want CCP to address something that’s tangentially related.
just fyi “interesting” = red flag for bad/poorly thought out ideas.
So.
First off, this is entirely meaningless. It’s on par with saying something like “PvE should be more dynamic!”
Which, okay, sound good, but how? In what way? You say “interesting”, but what does that look like? We can start easy and ask “what does ‘interesting’ look like to you?” and we can work off that.
Second, it’s painfully obvious that you’re trying to frame this discussion in a way that still allows for crabs and carebears to continue to bloat the ecosystem. In the same way that Wormholes exist, but not everyone engages in them, EVEN IF CCP listens to you and creates this nebulous “interesting” thing to encourage PvP, people can just… not participate. Full stop.
So why would CCP waste their time coming up with an “interesting” thing that encourages PvP, when PvE krabs who don’t care will just opt out of it and continue to krab, all the while bloating the ecosystem and running the isk faucets on max day in and day out? Your argument just points to something new and says “well, this interesting thing could be used as an isk sink, so therefore, the ecosystem bloating problem has been solved!”
CCP’s changes DIRECTLY impact the ecosystem and work towards their claim of making it healthier.
Your suggestion would create some other Resource-Wars level event that people could, but won’t participate in that doesn’t address the ecosystem problems that CCP is working to fix.
This may be your best strategy, but since you are so deliberately provocative, what this also is, is just a very small minded view based on a narcissistic belief that what the best strategy is for you, is somehow the best strategy for everyone.
That’s your failing, because you seem to simply lack the intelligence to understand that other people have other strategies that are just as effective for them in what is nothing more than a game, and seem unable to look beyond the shooty bit of PVP to see that there can be broader meta based goals than an immediate ship kill or loss.
As far as I’m concerned for example, there is never a need to amass wealth at all. In fact, doing so involves the most boring parts of the gameplay. So in relation to this:
It is far more effective just to convert a few minutes of my RL time into ISK by purchasing PLEX from CCP whenever I need ISK. It’s just a game and that’s a perfectly valid strategy.
Nothing to do with being uniformed. Nothing to do with not getting it. Nothing to do with looking at the same information and arriving at a wrong (because it’s different) interpretation.
Nothing wrong in pointing out that a single black and white view of things almost never works in Eve because it is a far more complex dynamic than hoard ISK or lose ISK. ISK is so easy to come by that hoarding it is almost the dumbest thing someone could choose to do.
But hey, I’m sure since this is a different view, you just won’t get it.
That is why you think pvp in this game sucks, pvp is not setting up some gang where you make profit thats ganking, ganking is the lowest form of pvp and yea it happens a lot becuase the mechanics of eve lead to it.
Try small gang vs small gang pvp its a hell of a lot more fun and rewarding every single player 90% of the time comes out with less isk than they went in, but that is fine because that is why we pve so that we have the isk to do the type of pvp we love most.
This is CCP trying to fix their mistake of leaving Rorquals to be op for a very long period, once enough of that returns to a balanced state CCP will more than likely add more carrots as people like to say.
Although they are probibly working on permanent carrots as we speak, the most logical thing to do in a time like this.
I just hope in January things start to get better, in the last few week’s everything has been super quite kinda sad but understandable I guess since it is the holiday season.
Very well written and I agree with you. However you forgot the main reason behind CCP’s actions. Bottom line, CCP is cheap and they are desperately trying to get more free advertising from game reviews.
Yeah, I’m not talking about a pre-programmed algorithm pop-up for the internet. I’m talking about an actual advertisement presented on mainstream media like what WOW and GTA has done.
There use to be a lot of very large Null Sec battles in the past that were always reviewed by gaming news sites. That’s free advertising for CCP. For a while now there hasn’t been very many large Null Sec battles happening so the only other recourse left to gain free reviews from gaming news sites is to make big significant changes to the game. And CCP has been doing that quite a lot recently. With every significant game change they do, they get reviewed from gaming news sites which gives them free advertising.
The strategy is for everyone, because without the wealth you cant pursue also the other strategies, if wealth is not the point in the first place.
Money may not be everything, but they are always needed. Maybe only if you want to play by never undocking and only chatting in game channel you dont need any money.
Teh wallet is there for a reason.
The means of acquiring wealth by buying PLEX from CCP is preferred by those who dont have enough time or reason to get it by playing, and eventually CCP would want to get those people to spent more, if they did it once. The whales.
Because CCP main goal is to acquire wealth while keeping players. If they see their strategy not effective, they will revert them, but damage can be already done.
Sure. There are many strategies and different approaches are “best” for different people. Part of what’s great about this game is that there are many different goals and playstyles to pursue. What I care about in my entertainment is likely very different from what you care about, yet we can both play the same game and each get what we want.
Wealth isn’t king. You might remember back a few years ago CCP Quant grouped the players into different groups at a Fanfest (I can’t find the graph right now), based on the patterns in their play picked up from the logs. They were ‘Professional’, ‘PVP’, ‘Industrial’, ‘Social’, and one other from memory (the people that were at risk of leaving the game).
Those in the social group spend most of their time just chatting. They rarely undock, don’t do much industry or pvp. They get their enjoyment from friendships in game. Wealth doesn’t drive them, so hoarding wealth isn’t necessarily the best strategy for them. No one needs ISK just to talk.
a) Eve Online is dying. Players are leaving, not many mew players are coming in, turnover is shrinking along with player numbers.
b) CCP does understand how to design a game … for PvP fans and gankers.
c) Of course when a game is dying and many players leave (giving their blueprints etc to the corp they were in), there’ll be a change in the market.
d) CCP does everything to cater to their nullsec alliance audience, and has neglected peaceful highsec playstyles for a decade.
e) CCP has not added any protection against highsec gankers/exploiters, so it is less likely new players will stay around.
Overall, the issue is that Eve Online is dying. CCP’s questionable decisions you listed above all seem aimed at keeping the nullsec / alliance / ganker pilots in the game and spending money.
(I think it also means CCP has been making most of their money from nullsec players. If they needed highsec carebears’ subscriptions or even thought highsec players moderately relevant, they might have added new PvE content over the last decade, and addressed the problem with griefers exploiting the game mechanics to harrass mission runners.)
Lemme guess at what it looked like when CCP Quant separated players into playstyles:
First, the PvP players are announced, and everyone is asked to applaud them and cheer.
Next, a bunch of bearded, long-haired, pale elderly gamers shuffle onto the stage, and CCP read statistics about how they have spend 20 hours per day in the game for the last years.
Then, they put a player center-stage, tie his bands behind his back, slap a pie in his face, kick him in the nuts, steal his wallet, and tell the audience this is what highsec carebears deserve.
I am playing so much free games these days, they are so much better than EVE to be honest. even considering different genres. No grind like in EvE and PvP that is a lot better suited to everyone wishing to test their skills on equalized playfield with lots of counterplay options. Somewhere you dont have to spent months training for a ship CCP would nerf in next month. Or the same with playstyle.
but understandable I guess since it is the holiday season.
