You can’t support an argument with something that doesn’t exist in the game. Although Javelins and Void ammo do look golden enough, I doubt CCP would ever implement such a bad idea.
For anything else that does exist, like PLEX and SP Injectors, I also do believe this:
because I, too, would be gone if grind was the only way to make isk and progress faster.
You hands down win the golden champion of the mobile generation award.
You can pay as much money you want on a game you have no time to play, I certainly will shed no tear on behalf of your wallet.
It’s still pay2win though
I hope there’s some isk involved in that deal 
I do have time to play it, I simply choose to bypass the boring parts. I can’t help that you can’t understand that.
You can’t control a corporations and you can’t control people’s spending so you might as well call it Duck2Win or Pew2Pay, it doesn’t matter.
Ok we are making progress here
I don’t have a problem with that. There are many ways to get ISK in the game.
Wait… maybe the problem is that you are just bad at the game and you just have the options grinding ↔ spend money. Maybe this is a tragic story of a carebear who just doesn’t eve good. It makes more sense now.
It does seem more and more that way. You really think its the grind or money. You don’t even consider that there are other options.
I mean you probably killed your immersion right from the start because you are used to throw money at the game, so I’m really not surprised you don’t understand that
You get a voucher for a discount on a starter pack with a retriever. A good deal
I just don’t play the boring parts. That somehow never required to pay extra money
It’s fascinating really. You have zero issues with the most blatant examples of greedy pay2win mechanics, yet naming them what they are, pay2win mechanics seems to bother you.
A bad deal. I won’t be building a mining empire.
Good try to make me look like a miner carebear
though.
Then you don’t play EVE, you just insinuate stuff on its forum. Play the game first then come back with some valid arguments.
What’s fascinating and what seems to bother you is that corporations sell things and people choose to buy them.
hey, this is something we can agree on
That’s nice because we could argue about the other thing 'til kingdom come and I really don’t want to.
I respect your position but won’t move on mine.
Right. You are a pay2bear
Maybe I’m just better at the game than you and found ways to finance my gameplay without having to grind.
It’s called playing the game. There are so many options to make ISK. It must be a completely foreign concept to you.
People like you payed my sub though, because you buy PLEX and sell them on the market, so I should probably be thankful.
I don’t have problem with corporations selling things. I have a problem with corporations making their product bad so no one actually wants to play it anymore. It’s only fair to tell them if you like the product don’t you think?
They will not make money if no one is left playing you know.
If your favored baker suddenly changes the recipe for their bread and it starts to taste like ■■■■, you could pretend it’s all fine and just force it down, hoping everyone else will do the same since they are all fan of the bakery. Most likely the bakery will have to close at some point because literally everyone can taste the problem.
Or you could just tell them and hopefully they will change the recipe so the bread tastes good again and it sells because it actually tastes good.
Let’s argue on the other thing
I’m always willing to move mine if someone actually would bother to make a good argument. Sadly it’s basically impossible in this discussion, because you guys are just in denial and it look like I’m just spot on with labeling this game pay2win.
But we should continue to discuss it. At least outside on-lookers will see that not everyone is a brainwashed simp who excuses blatant pay2win mechanics in one of the most pay2win games in existence. It may reflect positive on the community.
On the other hand, you OP and some other people here will make great study objects about how deep a community can drown in copium, should ever someone discover this thread.
I’m still in control if I want to pay or not so it’s not like I’m forced or okay with being robbed.
And Pay2Bear is right, pay to carry the Alpha accounts.
If it makes you feel good and all fluffy inside then yes, you are better at the game than I am Congratulations, you won… nothing.
I know the options to make isk and I do use them. Only after an hour of doing it I think I have the prerogative to stop and do something else. Unless you advocate for people to lose their mind on grind? Have you?
Maybe you should shut up then.
I don’t think so. I don’t argue with unsufferable jerks.
Ah…now all you have left is silly non-sequitur ad hominems. In which case I win ( and it didn’t require any cash ).
I simply don’t care. It’s my way or highway. What other people do is their problem.
I have no problem when other people lose their mind on the grind. Someone has to do it obviously.
The question is how you get their resources. You pay money, I play the game and find other means to get them from this people.
Absolutely not. I should expand on it. I ran a ganker squad for half a decade with SP extractor farm and, 4 omega accounts, never payed a penny and never grinded a minute. Basically some mobile game victims who are so bad at eve they need to pay2win it payed for all of it.
I abuse the hell out of this mechanics. I just happen to acknowledge that they are classic pay2win mechanics the way they are in the book.
Calm down paybear
He’s won at gatekeeping the Ghost Of Eve Past. A delusional spectre that wanders around howling about how unfair it is that some guy might buy a Gnosis with 25 PLEX bought from cash…and that might undo the entire 20 years worth of advantage and trillions of ISK and massive sov space owned by bloated corporations.
@Altara_Zemara It’s pretty conclusive even from the naysayers: EVE is not Pay2Win.
Glad that issue has finally been tabled.
Noooo ! You mean all those 30,000 man nullsec corps with their gazzilions of Titans and hundreds of sov systems are not gonna quake in their boots and immediately surrender when I open my wallet and buy a Gnosis ? I think I’ll have to ask for my money back.
It is blatantly pay2win, it’s obvious to anyone who isn’t an over-invested simp
That’s what grinding will do.
By allowing cash for stuff CCP is serving the community by preventing mental breakdowns and uncontrolled hallucinations.
Thank you CCP.
According to the victims of grind they will. Maybe they would let you have their sovereign space if you explain that you bought all your skills with cash and they are now facing the deadly Pay2Win Queen. I mean, they have to scurry in fear then, right?
How is that immersion breaking?