War decs should cost 10m additional isk for each outgoing war

[Jonah_Gravenstein]

@Anderson_Geten

A fitted raitaru is worth less than a naked barghest.

Value doesn’t necessarily dictate whether or not something is a luxury; a luxury being something that is nice to have but not essential.

@Namtis

I’m fairly sure CCP intended for structures to be for everyone. The most expensive structures are for alliances, the mid sized ones are for small to medium corps and the smallest structures are for everyone.

Structures are for anybody that can afford to place and defend them, I see no problem with that.

[QuakeGod]

These threads always start off and end the same way. It starts off with someone complaining about a specific game mechanic (war decs) and it ends with them petitioning for utter and complete safety in high sec…

[Ramona_McCandless]

Yeah but thats the rub

They dont believe they should need to interact in this multiplayer game

Not even with each other

[Anderson_Geten]

@Scipio_Artelius

It isn’t about structures from the OP. It’s about PIRAT becoming bigger and continuing as before.

There is no contradiction in the two. If you can’t defend a structure, you can’t defend yourself either

Another false dilemna.

[Ramona_McCandless]

How many jaffacakes does a Barghest buy anyway?

[Namtis]

@Scipio_Artelius

@Anderson_Geten

The question is, how to avoid being jumped by a 100-ppl corporation when you just start your first structure, that took you time to set up with friends.

Citation needed, because the OP has been clear that:

@Namtis

Pirat does not usually war dec for structure bashing.

The thread is based on the premise in the OP that:

@Namtis

Why? Because the reason that wars were made to require structures before was because hisec wars are driving players from the game. Since that change, the aforementioned 4 or 5 merc groups who initiate the bulk of hisec wars have merged into a single alliance, where they continue as they were before.

It isn’t about structures from the OP. It’s about PIRAT becoming bigger and continuing as before.

People should be consistent in their arguments.

If it’s about structures then that’s one thing. But if it’s about a claim of megacorps continuing to blanket dec for targets, then not being a target is the best approach.

When I raised the issue with the OP of structures, I was straight up told I didn’t understand the issue and hadn’t read the thread (which I had):

@Namtis

Completely misses the point of the thread and clearly did not read. Pirat does not usually war dec for structure bashing. It’s only to get targets to kill most of the time.

So I’ll call BS Anderson. Based on the OP’s arguments, this isn’t about your question, it’s about the above.

At least have some consistency, otherwise trying to discuss is pointless.

Is it about structures, or about PIRAT going after ships?

I think you won’t get an answer from anyone because nobody seems to understand what you’re even trying to say. You don’t seem to have a point or be making any sense. No logic to your argument.

[Anderson_Geten]

@Jonah_Gravenstein

Value doesn’t necessarily dictate whether or not something is a luxury; a luxury being something that is nice to have but not essential.

Stop the BS. Nothing is essential in the game. That’s just hollow words, that have no meaning, but look like they do.

[Scipio_Artelius]

@Anderson_Geten

If you can’t defend a structure, you can’t defend yourself either

By not being war eligible you don’t have to defend yourself. They are separate ideas now since wars became tied to Corp structures and not just to all Corps.

Sometimes I don’t know why I even bother.

[Ramona_McCandless]

Are we actually addressing the definition of luxury now? FML

OK

Biscuits are a luxury, jaffacakes are not, but they both cost the same

THATS THE LAW.

End of.

[Anderson_Geten]

@Scipio_Artelius

By not being war eligible you don’t have to defend yourself. They are separate ideas now since wars became tied to Corp structures and not just to all Corps.

Sometimes I don’t know why I even bother.

I don’t either. Your post just makes no sense.

Here is mine :

@Anderson_Geten

It is(irrelevant). The question is not how to not be wardeccable. The question is, how to avoid being jumped by a 100-ppl corporation when you just start your first structure, that took you time to set up with friends.

Nowhere did I claim that it was an issue with the structure only. As I wrote, “the issue is how to avoid being jumped”, not “how to keep your structure”

You are making it a false dilemma by claiming it is either a problem for the structure or for the easy WT. It’s a problem for both, and the context of the problem is the one I gave : how to not be roflstomped by a big war corp when you can’t do anything against it, and it’s basically free for warp corp to wardec you, and you can’t do anything but leave the corp.

To which I answered : use holder corps.

[Jonah_Gravenstein]

At current exchange rates 1 Barghest = approx 120 jaffa cakes.

[Scipio_Artelius]

@Anderson_Geten

Nowhere did I claim that it was an issue with the structure only. As I wrote, “the issue is how to avoid being jumped”, not “how to keep your structure”

Avoid being jumped by not being war eligible.

The OP doesn’t think this is about structures. You’ve added that in there. Not the OP.

That’s where the issue of consistency comes in, because when I discussed structures before the OP complained that I missed the point and it isn’t about structures. Now you want to make it about structures.

The OP has a simple path, even if he cannot comprehend it. Don’t be war eligible.

[Jonah_Gravenstein]

@Scipio_Artelius

OP has a simple path, even if he cannot comprehend it. Don’t be war eligible.

Op isn’t war eligible anyway, the character is 5 days old and sat in an NPC corp; they should post with their main so that they can be wardecced for heresy, if they’re eligible.

[zazzmatazz_Xu]

I know I don’t put a structure up, no point if someone puzzles it “just because”, but that also means I’m less invested in the community and game cause I have no incentive to invest in building up something for my Corp or the community.

[QuakeGod]

I no longer have a citadel, but I still mine in high sec every day. I still research blueprints every day. I still manufacture every day. I still do T2 invention and manufacturing every day. I still compress ore every day. And do you know how many problems I have from war decs and merc corps? You guessed it…zero. Citadels are a luxury…

[Namtis]

@Jonah_Gravenstein

@Anderson_Geten

A fitted raitaru is worth less than a naked barghest.

Value doesn’t necessarily dictate whether or not something is a luxury; a luxury being something that is nice to have but not essential.

@Namtis

I’m fairly sure CCP intended for structures to be for everyone. The most expensive structures are for alliances, the mid sized ones are for small to medium corps and the smallest structures are for everyone.

Structures are for anybody that can afford to place and defend them, I see no problem with that.

Almost anybody can afford them. And many will want at least one to call home. They’ll place a nice little rait for some copying, or athanor and try some moon mining. And all because they wanted something nice, now the wrath of the mega hisec war dec coalition will come down upon them.

This could be prevented or greatly reduced with the changes to war dec fees I have proposed. Because it will will cost them billions in fees for each war dec if they try to maintain their 500 man alliance of elite war deccers with a ridiculous amount of active wars. The war deccers are less likely to war dec some small new player corp who placed a raitaru if the war dec fee is 2-3 billion isk.

[Anderson_Geten]

@Scipio_Artelius

Avoid being jumped by not being war eligible.

yeah, so your post is irrelevant - which I already told you.

@Scipio_Artelius

You’ve added that in there.

Added WHAT ?
BS. I added nothing of the sort you claim.

@Scipio_Artelius

Now you want to make it about structures.

No. BS again.

@Scipio_Artelius

The OP has a simple path, even if he cannot comprehend it. Don’t be war eligible.

This is also what I already told him : keep structures in holder corps.

@Namtis

bleh

FFS learn to make quotes.

[Jonah_Gravenstein]

@Namtis

Almost anybody can afford them. And many will want at least one to call home.

I can afford many, and it would be nice to have one to open up as a freeport etc; however I can’t defend one so I don’t have one.

It’s not rocket science dearie.

[QuakeGod]

@Namtis

They’ll place a nice little rait for some copying, or athanor and try some moon mining.

And when I show up at their moon mining op and “steal” their ore or bump them out of the field so they can’t even mine their own ore, they will be crying for just “one more nerf”…

[Ramona_McCandless]

Im sitting in one Naari gave me for free.

Best price ever, and I only have it fuelled cos I can.

Spacebiscuits ftw