You’re doing trig sites in high sec and you know that a CODE gang of ten is going to drop on you… You want the fight and you want to win… What ship are you going to take, how are you going to fit it, and what tactics are you going to employ???
i’m learning the hard way as a solo player after loosing a 4 bil Kronos trying to bait-gank CODE… I learned from my mistake of not putting more emphasis on cap in the Kronos, but I would like to get some input from the pros before I loose another one… Ouchie… Lol…
You can’t win, you DO have a chance of not losing which is almost the same thing.
Most of the time they will have done the math based on your EHP vs their damage types meaning that once they decide to go for you they know exactly what is needed. The one option you have is to have more EHP than they anticipated for in the form of implants. Nirvana for shield or amulet for armor.
The other… trick is to not have almost 2 bil in modules in your fit, like the one you lost.
ps: perhaps an idea to actually fit a Bastion module.
Not smart. Having said that, it doesn’t matter what ship you are in or what you fit. There isn’t a single ship that can’t be ganked in hig sec in under 30 seconds, nor should there be. Your best defense is to not be there when they land on grid.
Any ganker worth their salt is going to assume that since you have the skills to be running around in a 4-billion ISK Marauder, you more than likely have a full set of high-grade implants in your head, and they are going to take that additional EHP into their calculation.
Yeah but in his case it wouldn’t have mattered much, he had about 80k EHP vs Void with no real HP to be boosted by implants. A more defensive fit would easily break 200k EHP on the cheap and still be effective for what he’s doing making him much less of a target to begin with.
Thanks for your input… I was using dual armor reps, armor inplants, and a good armor repair booster supplement… Unfortunately, I didn’t have the cap to sustain it and they got me… Thinking that a Palladin would offer better tanking and cap… Might have to give up on the blaster DPS to focus more on tank as you suggest… This is a drawback of being a solo player and trying to do this without any PvP experience and just PvE… But hey, I’m having fun trying to get there…
Your fit has 80k EHP vs void and tanks 400 dps vs void. They brought about 7500 dps which means that if you were full hp they’d need just over 12 seconds. But you probably weren’t full HP so it would take far less.
Repping isn’t going to save you. HP, resists and not being a target in the first place by flying cheap, is what might save you.
If you are running L4’s in it, DSCAN is your friend. If you are in a multi-room mission, they can’t just warp directly to you. They have to go gate-to-gate just like you did. You have plenty of time to warp to station if you are paying attention.
This, you need to surprise them with something they did not anticipate for.
Implants in a buffer fit can give a nice extra bonus they may not have taken into account in their calculations.
Another way to surprise them is to have a cloaked friend (or alt) next to you to bring support the agressors did not anticipate.
I never encountered gankers myself and haven’t looked much into how you can counter them, but I can imagine jams or weapon disruptors to remove a fair bit of dps from the grid. This should allow the target ship to more easily tank the rest.
A cloaked Pilgrim or Falcon could be fun.
Just don’t try it twice, I’m sure they’ll anticipate it next time. And try to do it on a character unaffiliated to the one you just posted on - gankers read these forums too.
You need few alts with spider tanks. CODE tactics are using numbers of alts for their Ganking Party. You don’t need to shoot them. You just need to withstand their fire power. But if you use Droneboats. The Drones will fight for you.
Wow dude, that’s ultimately a pretty tall order.
as mentioned, before they sent in the cattys, they ship scanned you and knew your fit and capabilities. so they calculated how much DPS they’d need, added in an overkill margin and sallyed forth.
You can expect similar treatment regardless of what ship you choose to fight them. So, if you really, really want to do this, you need to outfox them. Either refit for better Kin/Therm resists once you’re past their ship scanners (and hope they don’t bring Thrashers or Coercers) or have some other trick up your sleeve.
Ultimately, they’re in cheap, throwaway ships and they attack in the full knowledge that they are going to lose their ships.
I’d advise not bothering. Denying them content is the only real victory.
Your only chance is to “trick” them in one way or another. For a “normal” engagement, they simply have pre-calculated the outcome and will attack you with forces that will a 100% kill you.
I have used this tactic on several occations (with different alts of course, they won’t bite twice, if you trick them successfully you’ll get marked and they either get very cautious or simply ignore you):
Move from Jita to Uedama, check with an alt where their scout is. Often in Urlen or Kuso for example.
Let yourself be scanned and put expensive active tank mods into the ship, fill the lowslots with damage mods. Like X-Type Shield booster, deadspace multispectrum hardener, deadspace shield boost amplifier, faction ballistic controls etc. pp.
One Jump before Uedama (Juuni) I have a Mobile Depot anchored midwarp on a safespot. Just in case they have a second scanner to confirm). I warp to it, refit to a complete passive buffer tank and warp from there to the Uedama gate. Jump in.
If they attack, they will fail horribly. My PR so far is making them burn 54 Catalysts on a Rattlesnake that survived easily due to max buffertank + Nirvana set and overheated hardeners.
You can also use two identical ships, with an Alt waiting on a safespot midwarp (can even be cloaked). Warp to him, switch ships, warp into their camp with the tanked ship.
You can also warp with a ship into a scenario where everyone will assume you have a low ehp, high rep active tank, like event sites or L4 mission pockets in a T3 or Marauder, but instead you are in there with a high-buffer low-rep tank. I killed a ganksquad in a Legion this way, they usually killed event-running T3s with like 10 Catalysts without even scanning them, because the profit is very much guaranteed. Unfortunately for them I had like 150.000eHP and took their guns simply as additional loot.
Again: All that will work only 1 time per character, mostly. They will mark you as possible bait.
Thank you… That’s the part that I couldn’t understand… Right after they dropped, I looked down and my cap was all but gone… I was like WTF…and I couldn’t do anything but die…
My intent was to bait them in with the Kronos and keep them engaged by maintaining a low tank as I picked them off… It was my first attempt at it… If I had used cap implants instead of armor ones, battery, and beefed the tank at the expense of DPS, I could have at least made it to Concord arriving…
I’m going to try it again with a Paladin and a better fit with focus on tank, cap, and resistance for longevity in a fight… Call me crazy, but I love this challenge… I do think that a good marauder pilot could win this scenario with the right fit… I’ve seen pilots up against greater odds than this and win… I want to learn how to be that good at it and the only way to get there is to throw myself in and learn from my mistakes…
They’re not going to neut you, there is no need for that because you’ll be dead before you’re neuted out so they just dps you down. If you were low cap it’s because you had been fighting for a while. You’re not going to “win” by trying to finesse it or outsmart them, because (clearly) you’re not up for that and also because those folks have seen it all before and you’re not going to show them anything new.
I don’t know why you had an empty midslot so I don’t know if you need propulsion for what you were doing, if not then consider this fit:
[Kronos, Kronos EHP]
Damage Control II
Large Armor Repairer II
1600mm Steel Plates II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Heavy Stasis Grappler II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Bastion Module I
Salvager II
Salvager II
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x12
It’s cheap as hell while having way more EHP. It’s obviously not going to perform as well as the other in forms of dps (if you would have taken bastion) but since it’s not really a target in the first place you probably get to live.
You don’t need to shoot them. You just need to withstand their fire power. But if you use Droneboats. The Drones will fight for you.
