only if you use B-Types and then you can also use C-Types xD
only for B-Types and i dont care about isk/h if i´m finished in 1 hour but half of my ore is gone oO
Lets agree to disagree.
If I see 2M m3 rock of gneiss in C1 hole I know I won’t get it all out before I collapse it, may as well focus on the speed of getting it.
With a-type crystal you don’t get only 66% of rock. You get 74.6% of it. (1 / (1 + residue chance)).
this is a statement i can agree with ! but only if you realy have no time … ! and its not YOUR home where other ppl could mine it out ( but this is another theme 
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yeah maybe but still less then 100% xD
If it’s “my” moon then odds half a null superblock will come to afk on it are low enough to start thinking about odds rocks start to disappear w/o anyone having mined them because there simply is to little miners and too many rocks.
Likewise, most systems have their “content timezone” when code will come to check mining permits or nullsec FCs ask for everyone to be anchored on them while they orbit a POCO , and you want your moon to have been mined as much as possible before that timezone begins.
then why have a moon mining station ? oO
if you waste your money with a HS moon mining station … not my fault
and you need 3 days to oribit this poco ? oO
you know yiu can choose your time by yourself ? if you crack your moon when nobody of your miners are online … whos fault is it ?
Last time I had an Athanor, it was return-of-investing with it’s first single-week pull being mined with B2 scripts. If was mined only half before it despawns it’ll take 2 weeks to RTI. Athanors are cheap and there’s plenty of moons, while mining asteroid belts is pretty worthless since the year 2021 content scarcity patch nerfed the ABs.
Players anchor Stations in the areas they live. A player living in highsec will anchor his refinery in Highsec.
Of anything low has to offer , or WH space for that matter , moon mining content certainly is the least attractive. Nullsec, with its rents, alliance mining fees, uncompetitive reproc taxes, and equally uncompetitive markets will hardly make null attractive over high. CODE’s avoidable, PAPI is not.
No. But if I have limited activity time, I’ll likely join a corps in my timezone, which itself will be in an alliance in a compatible timezone, too, so the CTAs are aligned to the timezones where most players, i.e. also me, are expected to be online. So it’s not 3 days (ores despawn after two days by the way), but up to 3 time intervals of a few hours each.
If I have to consider the time other people then me are online, then it’s not “my” moon, but my group’s one, and the decision when to crack it will most likely be made by the group, rather then me.
It’s not a waste of money, but it is definitely a waste of time. HS moon mining is only 25% better than veldspar mining. The only exception is if you get glistening ores.
According to my spreadsheet: a retriever (assumed as 32K m3) of gneiss is ~24M ISK, omber ~15M. The same retriever of veldspar is only 4M ISK [veld is best hs ore]. When it comes to moon rocks: zeolite 5.1M and glistening at 10.4M. Jackpot is rare so we can’t really count on it. This means that any random, non-jaspet, jspace anomaly or lowsec asteroid is bringing you more isk than even glistening rocks, let alone typical rocks you will get from the moon… or HS asteroid belts.
At the end of the day time is far more valuable. Wasting time on veldspar or hs moon is a bad investment of time. Unless you are just chilling, in which case numbers are meaningless. No clue about the ice - I am not running the numbers on it.
By selling one retriever of gneiss I can buy multiple retrievers of HS regular or moon ores. Why waste time?
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Mining is not about wasting time it’s about enjoying a passion.
getting ganked?
its both ! but time is the thing we like to spend so i decide not to talk about !
so nothing of value ! and if you place your own structure then its a waste of money ! why ? other ppl will mine “your” belt aswell and you didnt get the 100% profit ! you spent your money that others can earn money …
Why is there still arguments over this? You still essentially get the same, if not more amount of ore before the residue change.
because ppl want fast money and so they waste a lot of stuff only to push their ISK/h in HS from 5m to 5,5m
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From 24M/h to 30M/h - assuming boost and compression is also there, and that you are using retriever with t2 b-type crystals (covetor is only extra 15% on top of that). No boost and no compression? Then why the hell are you mining in hisec when jspace entry points are all over the place? There is also a bunch of lowsec systems that are quiet and close to hisec. Most of jspace holes have ore anoms or gas sites (not all, some are really empty).
The point stands though, this ridiculously low amount if isk that miners make, and even any half-decent isk is with maxed out boost.
I’m writing down all of the times you @Uriel_the_Flame had been mean to me.
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Where do people learn the wrong mechanics?
well “company with 20 of game dev expirence” is not able to write Normal Descriptions.
it took me a lot of time to understand “residue process”.
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