Wow, when did EVE become pay-to-win?

[tutucox_Khamsi]

null people are the worst people
0% autodetermination
i have a irl friend stuck in a alliance , he cant even be on chat with his friends, he log of to be with us on discord
what a looser

[braless_lindseypelas]

You could help him have more fun in EVE and as the OP says: give him some cash so that he can be with the coolkids in the coolships

[tutucox_Khamsi]

i have 0 cash, but i can be with my friends on discord and no one spy on me using the api
bunch of babies

[Gergoran_Moussou]

@TeachMyAss

I tried alpha, but eventually you will plateau your char and get kicked out the alliance for being uncommitted to the cause

Odd that people would assume that someone who is only playing the free trial of a subscription-based game isn’t particularly dedicated.

[braless_lindseypelas]

@Gergoran_Moussou

Odd that people would assume that someone who is only playing the free trial of a subscription-based game isn’t particularly dedicated.

@TeachMyAss could be a veteran player that stopped playing EVE before the P2W model got implemented so please don’t be too quick to judge there. Your assumptions could be wrong & it is a variant on the don’t be poor-trope imo.

[Destiny_Corrupted]

@tutucox_Khamsi

no one spy on me using the api

[tutucox_Khamsi]

@Destiny_Corrupted

Why not? I’m quite up-front with the expression of my desires

@Destiny_Corrupted

Payment option S ? You mean to tell me there’s more than one?

I’ve been paying with my body this entire time…

@Destiny_Corrupted

Hey bois

ms @Destiny_Corrupted you can spy on me any time you want

[Destiny_Corrupted]

@tutucox_Khamsi

ms @Destiny_Corrupted you can spy on me any time you want

I…I’m a boy…I think…?

Is it any less of a disappointment if I say I’m a really cute one?

Wait, you’re a middle-aged BR dude chasing me around an MMO? Oh god, this is like 2015 all over again…

[tutucox_Khamsi]

@Destiny_Corrupted

Is it any less of a disappointment if I say I’m a really cute one?

i dont think you are a boy …
but…
no problem , im gei… i think…?

@Destiny_Corrupted

Wait, you’re a middle-aged BR dude chasing me around an MMO? Oh god, this is like 2015 all over again…

looks fun . if any time you feel nostalgic about it ,convo me

edit: if you are over the Age of consent ofc

[Destiny_Corrupted]

@tutucox_Khamsi

i dont think you are a boy …

This is literally the first time in my life that I don’t know how to respond to a forum post.

[tutucox_Khamsi]

@Destiny_Corrupted

This is literally the first time in my life that I don’t know how to respond to a forum post.

about the boy thing? you know to much about fashion …
but
im feeling kinda uncomfortable to
i was joking ms @Destiny_Corrupted
dont want to pass like I’m a creepooo
let end this thing here

[Destiny_Corrupted]

No, I’m not angry or upset anything!

Just that out of all the things I’ve ever been in EVE, I never imagined I’d become a trap, too. It’s like unlocking some kind of weird achievement. I mean, I’ve done it for infiltrations and such, sure, but this is my main…so…

[tutucox_Khamsi]

lol ok i believe in you

[Destiny_Corrupted]

Now I finally remembered what you reminded me of:

Calling you Professor Oak from now on.

[Solstice_Projekt]

@tutucox_Khamsi

Pst, hey … I think she digs you, but she’s a bit shy about it.

[Sideways_Bottomsup]

@TeachMyAss

In the old days it might take you years of being in a shitty corp to finally unlock all the wonders of nulsec pvp glory but with the new businessmodel you can be doing PVP in a 100m char very quickly when you pay your way within a month.

Out of curiosity, how is this different from the old days? Or have you just forgotten about selling time codes and buying characters?

[Zoiie]

I thought Eve was Pay to Spin (the ship)

[Manweru_Cemenotar]

wait, eve isn’t subscription based chat emulator? D:

jokes aside,

@Destiny_Corrupted

The traditional definition of “pay to win” is a system in which you are able to pay cash (directly to the game makers) to be able to purchase an advantage that is either not available to players through normal gameplay

That’s the most classic definition of P2W on the internet, and does not apply at all in EvE - everything, including omega status, can be obtained through normal gameplay…

@Destiny_Corrupted

or isn’t achievable in a reasonable manner or amount of effort

That’s newer influenceto popular definition, with the rise of games that were sliding in the original one with “but you can obtain these things in game without paying lol” but with the grind attached to it being insane to the point no one is going to realistically get it this way.

And now, the only way i could see that one somehow applicable by any stretch of imagination to eve, is omega status. If You are beginner player, and are learning the gropes of the game, You may get the feeling that earning that isk to plex your account would require insane amount of gametime daily to pull off. In this case eve could feel a bit p2w-ish and that only started to be the case with alpha clones because before that if you couldn’t afford sub, you wouldn’t play at all.

That being said once You educate yourself on how to make isk more efficiently, you will not only have no issue plexing your omega account, you will also in the longrun swim in the isks way beyond that. Meanwhile someone who is just paying the sub with irl will never be forced to learn these things and will struggle with replacing the losses. So who has the ultimate advantage in there?

[Gadget_Helmsdottir]

Wow, when did EVE become pay-to-win?

Either never - or always.

Never, because you can’t really WIN in EvE other than by having fun,

On the other hand, if you set goals and want to accomplish them as your own personal score for ‘winning’, then the more resources you put into accomplishing those goals, the more likely you will actually achieve them. You will need to pay with some combination of time, effort, and currency.

–Gadget always wins

[Destiny_Corrupted]

@Manweru_Cemenotar

wait, eve isn’t subscription based chat emulator? D:

jokes aside,

@Destiny_Corrupted

The traditional definition of “pay to win” is a system in which you are able to pay cash (directly to the game makers) to be able to purchase an advantage that is either not available to players through normal gameplay

That’s the most classic definition of P2W on the internet, and does not apply at all in EvE - everything, including omega status, can be obtained through normal gameplay…

@Destiny_Corrupted

or isn’t achievable in a reasonable manner or amount of effort

That’s newer influenceto popular definition, with the rise of games that were sliding in the original one with “but you can obtain these things in game without paying lol” but with the grind attached to it being insane to the point no one is going to realistically get it this way.

And now, the only way i could see that one somehow applicable by any stretch of imagination to eve, is omega status. If You are beginner player, and are learning the gropes of the game, You may get the feeling that earning that isk to plex your account would require insane amount of gametime daily to pull off. In this case eve could feel a bit p2w-ish and that only started to be the case with alpha clones because before that if you couldn’t afford sub, you wouldn’t play at all.

That being said once You educate yourself on how to make isk more efficiently, you will not only have no issue plexing your omega account, you will also in the longrun swim in the isks way beyond that. Meanwhile someone who is just paying the sub with irl will never be forced to learn these things and will struggle with replacing the losses. So who has the ultimate advantage in there?

I would say that Omega status is outside of any “P2W” considerations, because it’s a requirement of the game. You simply can’t play without it, just like you can’t play without a sub in WoW (last time I checked, you got level-capped and couldn’t engage in any current tier content). CCP just does a very bad job of conveying the fact that Alpha status is essentially a trial version of the game.

The issue is likely that few of CCP’s employees are actual gamers who keep up with the gaming world, and understand the industry’s current zeitgeist.