Yes.
I know thanks.
I was talking about the obscene amount of resonator this ship require.
The chip itself won’t reduce the price of the BP any lower than the raw ISK/LP cost of said BP, so that’s a moot point anyway, unless you yourself happen to stumble upon of of these chips it won’t change anything when it comes to the cost of the ship itself, and with how many resonator that ship needs, you can bet the SoE LP value will only rise up.
This ship is just completely over priced in LP, bot for its BP and Resonator, that thing is 2.5 more expensive than it really should be (aka It should cost 100K LP for the BP and 100 Resonator.
Also, I know it’s obvious in insight, but what’s even the point of Exploration command burst for a solo player anyway?
Sure, it’s a pretty neat asset for fleets, but as a solo…?
If there was some kind of high end exploration sites that literally couldn’t be probed without them, then it would actually give them a pretty strong use case and justify having to sit uncloacked while probing but since these sites don’t exist, you end up paying a whole lot of premium to fly a ship that has exclusive access to burst that have literally no real use case for your purpose.
Yeah you all are right. This doesn’t have any use as a solo exploration ship.
Can someone please recommend a good ship for solo exploration?
I bought an Echelon some time ago when I needed to hack into a data site without any skills to do so. Rather than train anything for the stupid mission, I bought this ship which cut through that lock like a hot knife through butter. It’s honestly the one and only time this has left spacedock. I’ve got hacking skills now- this was a long time ago.
But if I wanted to begin exploring now, what would be the best ship for it? My hacking is 5 and everything else is 4 or 5.
Since I’m no longer buying the Odysseus since it’s nothing but a trophy ship (which I can buy some other day), I have ISK to spend on something useful before I leave Jita.
It’s practically made for cooperative exploration.
What exactly told you it is a solo ship?
Why would I lie about flying a T3C? You could just check my zkillboard to see a previous Proteus I lost when things didn’t go as well with a ghost site.
But I don’t see how an exploration Proteus is supposed to be better than the Odysseus at PvP. The Odysseus too has 5 heavy drones and a good armor tank.
It is even stronger than an exploration Proteus as the Odysseus does not need to sacrifice drone bandwidth in order to get the new expedition command links.
I think the Odysseus has more mid slots too to support both exploration and a tackle module for PvP, something an exploration Proteus has trouble fitting.
I have not yet tried Odysseus fits, but if it can fit a cap booster and active armor tank I bet it’s going to do great in PvP with that 50k m3 cap booster hold.
Not really sure how you’re reaching this conclusion. Nestor BPCs are 25m, but would be around 300m if the price were necessarily tied to LP store costs despite the chip dropping. Simply supply/demand.
That would require some kind of sustained demand for the thing, but as you’ve noted, it’s both expensive and more like a novelty than a real workhorse, so where do you anticipate the demand coming from? Beyond the initial burst of interest for the new shiny thing, I’d say it’s pretty unlikely to have any market-distorting effect.
Depends on what you want to do. For normal data/relic sites, any standard covops if you can fly them. Metamorphosis or Astero if you can’t. Be cautious with sleeper caches and ghost sites.
I think I’ll go with the Stratios. Since I already have Gallente cruiser at 5, I’ll be able to get all of the drone bonuses. I’ll get Amarr cruiser up there in time. It’ll be 3 soon. I already have all of the skills for this.
TBH my favorite thing about the Stratios is that, when you decloak your T3C next to one, it usually doesn’t have enough time to warp out before it’s tackled.
That said, I guess it can tank a ghost site failure, so it has that going for it.
Would would you think I don’t believe you about flying T3C when I clearly pointing out your “slowboating” here?
Oh….
Sorry, I thought I was talking to an adult that know the game, but I evidently talk to a prime example of clueless individual.
There is a good reason for that, the Nestor demand is infinity smaller than the chip supply.
Look at the Astero, and that BP is completely unaffect by the chip because it’s a high demande ship.
But sure, with how awfully expensive in resonator the ship is, coupled with its ridiculous 2 week skilling required just to get the 3 new skill required to fly it, this ship will probably be even less used than Nestor so its chip may completely crash in price, making the BP actually affordable.
To be fair, it comes with a scan bonus and those fleet burst modules will apply to that. Sure, they’re FLEET burst mods, but they also apply to the Command Ship. It’s the same with all command ships- they get all the bonuses of their own fleet mods. It’s why the Orca gets such a high tank when fit with Shield Burst mods.
So it COULD be used solo. It will scan things just fine. Whether it’s useful or worth it is another story- just saying it’s not completely useless solo. I see people mining in Orcas all by themselves. Stupid, but I see it. (If Orcas had their own strip miners, it’d be a phenomenal miner!)
Chalk it up to differences in perspective. To me, solo means lowered expectations and reduced scope of available gameplay. There are sweaty tryhards for whom solo means using a ship intended for New Eden’s 0.1% to manhandle unsuspecting Sleepers and WH dwelling capsuleers alike.
Not everything added to the game has to be for us.
As a solo explorer, you’d probably want to train for a Stratios, then into one of the T3 strategic cruisers.
I recommend the Loki since it’s so versatile. It shoots missiles so you can choose your damage type, and it can be fitted with either an armor or shield tank, whatever you’re trained for. And it’s pvp web range bonus is very OP. Bring a depot and hacking modules with you, and you can hack cans or run combat sites wherever you go.
If you bring 5 gas cloud scoops and a whole bunch of expanded cargoholds and cargo rigs, it can also function as a scuffed gas huffer, with a yield comparable to a Venture (2.5m3/s vs 2.67m3/s). Your cargohold will be very small though (about 2500-3000m3, depending on how much other stuff you have). You’ll need to dock every 15 mins to store your gas, and come back with a hauler to get it to high sec.
The Odysseus has yield of almost two Ventures, if you consider that it can bring it’s own mining links. It’s by far the best solo gas huffer in the game.
Sure.
Still doesn’t change the fact that this thing still have an insane 250 resonator requirement when by all logic it should sit between Stratios and Nestor at 100-120
Just move on dude, you are clearly no capable of holding a conversation that span more than 2 replies.
