Someone somewhere lied to them and told them equality and equity were the same thing, it’s obvious from the arguments. It’s just not fair in his mind that I’ve made life choices that allow me more hours per day to play a game I enjoy.
It’s entirely fair, it’s just not equal. Know what also isn’t equal? I play EvE from a camper parked in an urban industrial area, so I don’t have to pay stupidly high rent prices and only work 3 days a week, while he probably plays from a nice apartment with stable power and internet. I’m not looking for sympathy by saying that, just using it as an example of equity is not equality. Even from where I’m at, I have the exact same access to the server that he does. That is fairness.
If u made choices based on a game… I am really sorry for u!
(btw I know what u meant)
I never said that it’s not fair because u manage to play the game more hours.
In the contrary you are saying that if a tool / app comes up that will allow “me” play more than you, it will then be unfair, because I won’t be logging in from the “eve client”, but did u consider that, I will be logging in from another client which… wait for it… It will be available for you as well, thus making our login options… Equal!
I live the way I do because it’s cheap and I don’t have to work a lot.
Before I account for EvE, food and fuel, my monthly expenses are less than US$300, or about 2 days of day labor. I only need to work an average of 2 days a week to live the life I want, letting me spend all the extra money I work for on whatever else I want. When I get tired of this, I have a chunk of property to land on. Definitely don’t feel sorry for me, feel sorry for the schmuck having to work 3 jobs to afford rent in this area.
None of which is relevant to the points I made above.
The reason for the “equality is not equity” lecture is that it makes the very core of the only necessary argument against your idea, the simple fact that is profoundly inequitable to be able to make any substantive change to the server without first being logged in through the client.
The current restriction of apps to only monitoring various aspects of the server or limited only to communication keeps the multitude of various forms of PvP that don’t involve direct ship destruction in balance. There are a few apps that allow minor manipulation of the client, like directly opening fits, but not even these save the fits, you have to do that manually. Outside of sending mails, there are zero other aspects of the server available to be manipulated from any app other than the client.
Now I get to repeat myself, because you decided to ignore it in my prior posts. Your example of an app making market trading more accessible is the exact example I use why your app is a terrible idea. The EvE market is direct PvP with almost every other EvE player simultaneously. The ammo on the market is put there by players. All of it, every Proton S to every Void XL. Everything bigger than ammo is the same, it’s all put there by players. Outside a few blueprints and skillbooks, the market is entirely player driven. Exactly 5 minutes after your app launches, it will be required, and no longer optional, for any serious market baron. Overnight, the top sellers on the market will be only those who are able to use the app to adjust their market orders every 5 minutes when the timer runs out.
I respect your way of life and I really hope more can “accept” to live with less, in order to have more.
Now we r getting somewhere. You made your self clear (maybe yes, I didn’t get this point in your previous posts, not reading the whole thread again lol)
Yes in EVE market IS PvP and your argument here is more than valid.
So back to me, removing the set, change, update from some aspects, so we are left with (not giving up yet) :
So use one of the already existing apps that do most of this list. CCP doesn’t need to divert more attention away from EvE development, considering they can’t even keep their login servers running after an update.
Just arguing with someone who tries to “explain” me what is and the differences between equal and fair