This is such a stupid idea we’re actually posting on the official forums.
What’s the state of reddit since the announcement? Lol
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Why isn’t it linking the link… its only linking the pic.
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Over 48 hours and 500 posts of issues and complaints on the official Event Feedback thread and no response from CCP. What makes you think they’re paying attention or even care?
Let’s go hypothetical:
Let’s say Pearl Abyss asked them to cut cost’s and remove AT and future content and Dev time on Eve Online, so CCP structured it in a way to make it obvious by using our voice to communicate to Pearl Abyss that we the public are not cash cow’s that blindly follow a brand for them to reap easy money.
Either that or people are living in lala land xD
This truly is sad. I have seen this happen in other games I have played and the end is not good, 5-6 years later the games and companies are all but dead. Falcon is spewing the same rhetoric as those other games, may as well copy and paste. The AT is gone and will never return.
Events like the AT bring a community together creating hype and excitement, while abandoning them creates a void that players can not seem to fill with other activities.
One of the things that was on my EVE “to do list” was to participate in the AT, but now I doubt that will ever happen. It’s a slippery slope CCP has created with this announcement, one that usually ends in a train wreck.
EVE is truly dying.
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It’s a shame to see the AT die, but I’m looking forward to the big investment in game balance! I am sure that by the time the AT would’ve been held, CCP will have implemented comprehensive changes to improve capital vs. subcapital balance, rorquals and the industrial economy, and all the game’s other pain points.
I have every confidence in this!
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This is really sad.
Been playing for 11 years and even in times I couldn’t be arsed to log in, I always watched the Alliance Tournament.
Though I know that the tournament was a time sink for devs and I highly appreciate their commitment, I somehow can’t believe that cancelling the AT will set free the resources needed to “improve live new eden” (whatever that means).
In my personal opinion but also looking at the reactions on the forums and reddit, I’d say that you’ve got your priorities massively wrong.
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In short CCP has no idea where to go with AT right?
Recently came back after years away. Even when I was quit I watched the alliance tournaments.
This is just clear that new mgmt really, truly, doens’t understand - or doesn’t care about - the game they just took over or it’s playerbase.
I want to go into a long post, but this is really just a disheartening development.
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I don’t think I’ve ever seen such overwhelmingly negative response to an announcement, in any game.
I hear viewers are down for Super Bowl these days… cancel it?
For the last year or so I’ve had a feeling that is entirely new for me… EVE is dying!
Grassroots or cashcrop
I want to push back on this. 2017 saw a record number of alliances enter and the birth of a very competitive Feeder Round to eliminate all the extras.
2018 was terrible because of the bloodbath that saw multiple CCP community staff laid off including Logibro. With the loss of CCP Logibro speculation was rife that there would be no AT in 2018. Iirc it wasn’t until Fanfest that this speculation was put to bed and clearly a lot of people had already decided to move on with their lives. People need to book annual leave and so on, they can’t be waiting on CCP’s will they/won’t they. Which was why last year’s numbers were down.
You say you’re going to rethink, here’s what you need to put in place.
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first, a commitment to running AT for considerable time ahead. We pilots invest into AT with years of skill planning and training which people are simply not going to do if we can’t rely on their being an AT. I think you should commit to at least 5 years of AT 2.0
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professionalise it. My outsider’s impression is that the AT has been run by CCP staff volunteering to go above and beyond their paid work. This is exploitation. This is an unsustainable model.
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take a harder look at your commentating offer. Generally in esports one expert commentator and one colour commentator is tried and tested. AT commentary just seems to pick two random commentators which is dry when they’re both experts and just dumb when they’re both colour. Expert in this context means people who have done it at top level like Fozzie rather than players who have just dabbled or even not done AT at all. (Those players are your colour commentators).
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get team sponsors. Let players talk to people like Razer (the mouse company) etc and rebrand their AT teams as something like Razer Pandemic Legion.
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Look at what top esports do and borrow best practice.
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Put tournament play into the beginner experience with a chance for new players to jump into a free rifter and shoot each other once during their first month for 500 plex. Tutorialise it, explaining how tournament play works and what the AT is. Soccer works because every kid kicks a football so when they see Ronaldo score at the World Cup finals they can relate to that. The AT is a secret, unreachable, high level end game that most players feel is too daunting.
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Exactly this! Killing AT is killing the burning passion of player’s to excel at eve.
Or you could get a clue.
Why no FF? Because in all the upheaval 2y ago, they forgot to reserve the Harpa for this year.
Why no AT? Because they’re spending freakin’ 6 months on the road trying to turn that ‘oops’ into a positive.
Just relax. When things get a little nuts and routines get upended, it disrupts things. That doesn’t mean they’re gone for good.
Think of the AT like Burn Jita. When we got evicted from the north, there was no Burn Jita that year, or the year after, while we got things straightened out. But we had one last year, didn’t we? And we’re having one this year, too.
Don’t call the AT dead until it’s actually dead. Especially since it’s been something they’ve put on in their spare time for a few years now.
Does anyone remember the time when EVE Online only had ONE monetization system (subs), but it was enough to pay for 2 expansions per year, a big community team (14 i think) and TWO tournaments per year (AT and NEO)?
These days we have subs, mircotransaction crap (SKINs and apparel) and pay to progress (skill injectors), but theres isnt enough money to fund 1 tournament that already has a lot of the required work outsourced to the community?
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… when the gaming landscape wasn’t what it is now, when mobile gaming wasn’t a big factor, when big chunks of the playerbase had more time on their hands…
zomg, it’s almost like life is one big series of changes.
sometime people seem AT being a thing with a small playerbase involved only, thus not worth much focus. for those let me come up with some estimated numbers.
Players involed each year:
64 teams with a roughly estimate of 16 players in each team:
1024 pilots involded in this to some degree. Some heavily some less so but still a number I wouldnt put off easily.
The history and reach of the AT is heavily intertwined with EVE itself. Ripping that out can not be worth it however I try to spin it. @Falcon just tell us how much it costs CCP? talking about transparency? we know CCP employees did large parts in their spare time, so costs cant be overly high. Just why cut this? makes no sense to me?
CCP should pay you and make this a great thing for all eve players and a grand advertising platform for the game.
Pathetic decision, pathetic rationale.
