Another PI QoL request thread

Hi all

This keeps coming up in various conversations I’ve had with people, so I decided to go ahead and write it all up somewhere. Obviously not all of these items will be new, but I’m hoping that it shows there’s a want for these things from more than a few isolated requests.

I think it’s fair to say that PI is dreaded by many. The amount of outright slog involved in setting up a planet and to keep it running is really not in a great place - much less the actual health risk involved (because of RSI type injuries). New Eden is set in the future, where mankind has developed all manner of advancements and technologies, yet … misses on automations. This seems unrealistic :wink:

In addition to the items I’ll be listing (as well as the items that have been mentioned in prior threads on this topic), I believe it’s also worthwhile mentioning that these things wouldn’t necessarily risk a major devaluation of PI outputs - pilots are still running their extractors and factories on the normal durations required for the schematic, there is still Time Spent. These suggestions need merely make it less painful to actually deal with the planet.

With the preamble out of the way, the suggestions!

  1. The problem of routing

This is the by far the most frequent complaint I see. There are a number of possible ways to address this, some perhaps simultaneously. One example way is to just let inputs and outputs be handled more smartly. Let the PI interface automatically select source locations for components (even any-any if multiple sources), and just use the pile. The industry window and fitting tools already do this. Outputs could also potentially be auto-designated out of the box, and both of the auto-selected things could allow for pilot finetuning (for those who want to tweak their setup in a specific manner).

The pain of the routing problem is often greatly exaggerated by an accidental misroute on an expedited transfer (as one may need to tear down and replace a structure to fix it).

There is a massive amount of pain savings to be gained here.

  1. Planetary templates

Moving a planet. Sharing planet designs. Setting up another planet.

At present all of these are remarkably painful things to do.

Provide a way to store and reuse setups. Possibly even to share setups, the same as fittings can be shared.

Nothing about this would necessarily drive a significant devaluation by itself. As already mentioned previously, the operating time is still required for the planet to operate, extractor heads would still need moving around for yield as usual, and factories would still require their relevant upgrades and supply maintenance.

  1. Standing/reusable import orders

A very regular part of how to do specific planet operations is the requirement for importing specific orders to specific places. This can be a fairly error-prone (occasionally the UI bugs out), and also has to be done in stages because the POCO window will autostack any items loaded into it.

The fitting window has multifit already and is much-loved, so the model of what this looks like for PI has already been proven elsewhere and would be much-welcomed. While some may see it as a possible alternative to item 1, I believe the two together would pair quite nicely.

  1. Mass-split for stacks

Tying in to item 2, there’s frequently a need for splitting stacks according to some input requirement. At present this is a fairly arduous process, requiring many, many, many shift-drag operations.

Right-click multisplit would be much nicer.

  1. Make the POCO staging window optional

An advance admission: this is perhaps the most contentious idea here. But! There is a way it could be balanced.

So right now the way to do this can be error-prone (e.g. the POCO will auto-stack things). Add a capacity to transfer directly from the hauler you’re in. This could be balanced out by adding something similar as the ESS link mechanic - you have to “transport link” to the POCO to do the easy transfer, but it comes with a timer and a cooldown on the module.

  1. Allow renaming structures

Pilots rely on the naming of the launchpad names to handle their imports. Some try to do it by alphabetical ordering at setup time, so as to make it easier to deal with in future.

Go ahead and slap a rename button on it. We can name ships and MTUs and depots, give us the ability to rename structures too.

That’s it on my list of these for now.

Please CCP, do us a solid. Those recent QoL changes announced include a number of really great items, and some of the suggestions in this post would also make many a planetary industrialist happy and buy you more much-needed goodwill.


First and I agree.

@pappmichl please share your thoughts

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■■■■ yeah
Couldnt agree more

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Just for the sake of comprehensiveness, I want to link Planetary Industry QoL Improvements - #2 by sarow_Kado which was the most recent previous post I found that touched on similar items.

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I endorse this

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YES totally agreed

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Do this

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The first time I have replied to something I felt so strongly about. Hire the Factorio devs and improve PI - the current implementation is egregious. I don’t understand how something so fun can be implemented so poorly here…

Great post and good topic, thank you Grozeirkin.

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Yes please, I didn’t think something could simultaneously be mentally boring but also physically painful in a videogame. Please make it less painful.

I agree with this post!

(1) If you make it too easy, more people will do a lot more of it and prices will crash. For that reason alone I think CCP should leave it as it is.
(2) Change your cycle from daily to weekly or fortnightly, thereby reducing your RSI considerably.
(3) CCP to make one single change: hex grid so I don’t get triggered by aesthetics.

I set my planets up once, two years ago, and haven’t changed them since.

We at the Brisc Rubal Home for Hot Unwed Mothers endorse these suggestions. Our staff has seen a 25% increase in carpal tunnel cases since PI was released, a level not seen since self gratification became acceptable in the 1980’s.

CCP must do something to reduce the amount of mouse movement and clicking inherent in PI. Microsoft Excel invented Macro’s for this very reason and if you CCP plans on partnering with Microsoft, they should take a Worksheet from their Excel playbook and create some wrist relief.

As a Devotee of Planetary Industry, there’s a lot of little or big movements that could impact quality of life and the user experience. What the original poster here has said would be quite valuable in smoothing the detestment of the whole process. While every single item listed above are valuable quality of life points, the world of Planetary Industry is overflowing with an abundance of opportunities to smooth out gameplay & increase it’s player/client engagement. And I’m not even talking about reducing the need of PI in industry. I’m speaking to the engagement portion to draw people into actually farming the PI. Planetary Industry is one of those areas where multi-boxing isn’t really a factor. It’s something where very small detail/QoL changes can have huge gains in viability.

While this is true, this is horrible argument to use to prevent game being better. Plus if prices crashes, maybe many players stop doing it and then prices will narrow up again? Eitherway, the higher “accessibility” which leads to higher production can always be compesated by nerfing the production in first place.

Please o please CCP, listen to all the feedback PI Players provided you with, and introduce some of the suggested QOL changes. PI has not been touched in years, and it is pretty awful. None of the above suggestions would remove the need for the daily chore to restart and reposition extractors, so there is still enough pain involved. A copy/ paste of Factory configurations (including material to be produced and end product routing) to replicate setups would go a loooong way to make this repetitively boring part of EVE a bit more enjoyable.
HS Pocos are completely out of control, since ever - they make one single Omega person in the game happy and hundreds highly frustrated.

So make it easier, then priced drop because of too much supply. Then nerf production to raise value of items. The end result being the same isk/effort that it is now.


Agreed, and I’d also like to suggest adding an option to move all extractors at once maintaining their relative position. I usually keep the same shape anyway

While there are a host of quality-of-life changes that I would love to see (as evidenced above), one of the things that I think would have a highly positive impact on player engagement with Planetary Industry, would be a simple refresh button on the PI tab for any extractors on planet. This would reduce number of clicks quite a bit, and make maintenance oversight of a PI network simple and greatly reduce impact on the time of the player. Just another thought.

There are dozens of different things that could be done to increase engagement, or make things more enticing to draw people to PI as an activity.

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how awesome this refresh button would be! Hence it will never happen.
I am actually doubtful any PI improvements are even considered by CCP. Have not seen a single one in years.

anyone knows why there is no keyboard shortcut mapping option to open the customs office dialogue?