You’re literally repeating what I’m saying. It’s a ship used for ganking and is entirely replaceable by any other ship in the regard.
“I can jump into people and gank”.
“it’s a multi person ship”
yea, both true. But in both situations you’d be better with an alt piloting a naked BLOPs and bridging yourself in a T3 cruiser to do the actual fighting. And T3C can use Covops Cloaks.
No, if you’re bridging your T3C to do the killing you’d need a third person.
What I’m saying is that the blops doesn’t need the ability to warp cloaked, as it can rely on other ships to do that, because of it’s jump drive:
See the difference?
The only reason to take the BLOPs with you is to bridge back out again.
Which requires 3 people (at least).
Or you just sit in enemy space with no real cloak and hope you make it out, or use a filament.
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I don’t know why i’m arguing with you. I know how BLOPs ganks work> They’re still ganks. The mechanics of the gank are irrelevant to the actual combat ability of the ship.
Err, have you ever used a blops?
You don’t need a covert cloak, filament or third character to make it out alive. Let me explain:
One character has a cyno. The other is the blops.
First character catches someone, lights cyno, blops kills them. Blops warps off to a safe, cloaks up. Cyno character travels elsewhere, being cloaked in warp, and lights the cyno for the blops to jump where it wants to go next, whether that’s the next target or back home.
If you’re playing with someone else who has a cyno, there is zero reason for the blops to take gates in enemy space. You could sit cloaked pretty much 100% of the time, only decloaking to jump right into the next fight, after which you warp to a safe and cloak up again.
It’s simple, because of the jump drive the blops does not need to be able to warp cloaked, it has other ships that do so for you.
You may know how blops ganks work, but you seem to have difficulty understanding the mechanics of that a cyno chararcter can be in two places to allow the blops to make jumps back and forth.
The trick is that the cyno character does not need to be in both places at the same time, but is able to travel from one location to another while the blops safely waits cloaked.
ccp once spoke of calving blops bs , similar to recon cruisers . each race would have two , with different bonus. one fleet-oriented , the other more combat-suited . one was to be covert-cloaked …
that silenced the rabble for a bit …
This is incorrect. People do fly them around like normal ships, and the cloak speed bonus is amazing for this. A Blops can be off gate in circa 2 secs and is unlockable during this process. If the gate is camped it can burn away cloaked at over 3km/s, virtually impossible to uncloak.
3km/s? Where are you getting this from? Not all blops are going to be fit like Bee’s, nor should they be.
m8 that’s a mostly T2 fit with a caldari navy cloak. Try giving Pyfa a go with what these ships can do.
but it does take 5-6 seconds to get up to that speed — plenty of time to get rammed by an interceptor moving 5 km/s, and if you are stuck inside of an area that is bubblefvcked then your best bet is to cloak boat at 500-600 (still very respectably fast) and hope that the guys trying to grab you have poor spatial judgement or are unaware how fast your ship goes with a MWD while cloaked.
That specific fit had a max speed of 7km/s. That’s the officer cloak combined with a mid grade snake pod doing work.
Once again, it still takes some time to accelerate up to those speeds, and it takes a few seconds after warp is initiated for the ship to get moving off grid. It is very possible to drop a bubble around the BLOPS and interupt that warp. You may lose a sabre due to the panther’s arties, but that’s only a problem if your gate camp has only one sabre for both decloaking and for bubbling.
Bee’s fit was crazy
And he still wouldn’t take a 1v1 with a cruiser.
BLops aren’t in a good place - they are a dunk ship. which for their price, is wild
Blops are in the best place they have ever been in, this thread seems to be made up of people that don’t use blops at all
no, blops are not only used for bridging at all, that is one specific role they can do but it takes a cursory look at zkill to see that is isn’t the only thing they are doing
yes blops are usually used in a ganking scenario because that is what their kit is designed for, but yet again is not limited to that, you only need to look at the redeemer for fast response anti capital neuting or the widow’s role in HA fleets as an oppressive ECM carrier that can set up gang wide MJD opportunities with a burst jam, the panther has an extremely unique role in busting through gate camps if its fit for it
yes, people do fly them around as normal ships, out of the ~400 kills that my blops ships have been a part of, only about 10 of them were part of using the jump drive, roughly 250 of them are without any support whatsoever and none of them involve alts
3km/s is dogshit cloaked speed @Awox , a (reasonably) cheap fit panther can reach 4km/s+ without spending billions on cloaks
Bee’s fit doesn’t hold a candle to the devil of pochven 
Covert cloak would remove basically any of the risk that blops have to deal with, it would make it far safer to set up, far safer after the gank, would give you about 30% more scan res. It doesn’t need those buffs whatsoever for the performance they already enjoy, even the role bonuses that all battleships got are arguably an unneeded buff that blops didnt need
I would enable covert ops cloak on black ops battleships, but with some nerfs. Like -25% rezists, substracting 5% for each covert ops skill level. Or nerfed damage.
I’ve only had a cursory glance at your killboard but it looks like the vast majority of your kills are you blapping a frigate or destroyer. That’s kinda what i was getting at: BLOps aren’t really a hunter or a fighter - they seem to work best as a ship for trolling small ships.
If you enjoy them, that’s cool. But that doesn’t mean they’re in a good spot.
The most notable thing you mentioned was bringing in EWar in cap fights quickly, which if you’re in a cap fight and don’t already have a bridging titan, I’d argue you’re in the minority. In which case I’d argue a bhaal or scorp is just better.
None of the black-ops ships are better or even cheaper than other options - the covert-jump is the only thing they add… and for that strength they already sacrifice efficacy compared to T1 or Faction alternatives
The BLOps bonuses are already weaker than their T1 counterparts. That’s the price for being “sneaky”. Except the “sneaky” isn’t as sneaky as even a combat recon (who don’t get cloak bonuses but don’t show up on DScan)
you forgot the part where they have jump drives and ignore cyno inhibitors (and do more damage)
I specifically mentioned the jump drives.
ignoring cyno inhibitors is a nice bonus - but again, that applies to the covert jump portal as well, right? So you can still just jump in a fleet of T3C who would absolutely be better in a straight up fight on the other side. Plus they can use covops cloaks.
I’m not saying “BLOps is unflyable, don’t undock”. I’m saying they aren’t great and really could use some love to be promoted from harrasing frigates and being a blingy ship to get a killmail on.
That’s kinda what i was getting at: BLOps aren’t really a hunter or a fighter - they seem to work best as a ship for trolling small ships.
you didn’t really understand the context of why my killboard is like that, I specifically use the panther for that content because the panther is fast as ■■■■ and very slippery but has zero ehp or meaningful tank, which is what I enjoy about it (you also missed the leshak solo kill, the 6b golem and 5b navy scorp kills, the hunting of battlecruisers in gatecamps while i was on grid, or constantly harassing huge fleets that are trying to either kill me or do other stuff, which doesnt get reflected on a killboard)
now go and look at each of the blackops ships to see what else they hunt, there are far FAR more than just frigs and destroyers that they kill (if anything the only ship that mainly goes for frigs and dessies is the arty panther because its specifically set up to one shot them)
which if you’re in a cap fight and don’t already have a bridging titan,
not all fights have multiple capitals, and very few of them involve titans, wormholes especially
the covert-jump is the only thing they add
that and T2 resists, and higher damage and base mobilities compared to the t1 counter parts, generally more utility slots aswell
they are not designed to be better than t1/faction in many ways either, all t2 ships specialise for a specific role at the cost of other roles (except for arguably the marauders, who’s specialisation was being an independent, active tanked ship, but now is widely used in fleets with buffer thanks to the role bonuses)
So you can still just jump in a fleet of T3C who would absolutely be better in a straight up fight on the other side.
It depends on what you are hunting, covert T3C’s have sub par dps and tank compared to blops
you also haven’t factored in the conduit system which blops make use of to make the jump fuel negligible, you can have something like 97+% reduced fuel costs, but conduits only work if the blops go with the ships that are being jumped
I’m saying they aren’t great and really could use some love to be promoted from harrasing frigates and being a blingy ship to get a killmail on.
and i’m saying that you don’t seem to understand what blops normally hunt and what makes them strong, they were decent before the resists buff, they were strong before they all got flat extra damage or even more resists and having some of their old bonuses baked into the hull, they certainly didn’t need the role bonus but they got that aswell
if getting 3 sets of buffs over ~18 months, some of them they didn’t even need, isn’t giving them some love then I don’t know what is, they absolutely do not need a covert cloak and honestly never did
No Battleship can use a covops cloak. That said, the Blops is faster cloaked than you would expect 
Hence there are some amazing videos out there featuring solo Blops.
Maybe you could do one of those. 
Very well said.
