Brisc Rubal 2020 - Tanned, Rested and Ready for CSM 15

[Brisc_Rubal]

So in your world, every one accused of a crime is guilty, because no one ever makes a mistake?

[Xeux]

I my world, lawyers and politicians doing lawyer/politician stuff is automatically suspicious.

[Brisc_Rubal]

Hopefully someday you outgrow this bigotry and you learn to judge people as people, not job titles.

[Xeux]

@Brisc_Rubal

I appreciate the idea that people think I am so powerful that I can bully a multi-million dollar foreign corporation into doing my bidding, but the reality is that these are just regular people who made a fun game and they’re trying to do the best they can.

This mega-corporation that you think is so powerful . . . it took all the King’s horses and all the King’s men two weeks to clear up a simple misunderstanding? It would be a ludicrous story, except for the enthusiasm which you and your boosters are using to promote it.

You are calling me a bigot for not trusting politicians? Are you for real?

[Brisc_Rubal]

@Xeux

This mega-corporation that you think is so powerful . . . it took all the King’s horses and all the King’s men two weeks to clear up a simple misunderstanding? It would be a ludicrous story, except for the enthusiasm which you and your boosters are using to promote it.

You are calling me a bigot for not trusting politicians? Are you for real?

Yes, it took them two weeks to talk to all of us, go back and look at things, decide what to do and work out all the details. This was also over Easter (which was April 21), so there were holidays involved too. That it was resolved in two weeks is a miracle - this could have easily taken months, if not years, to resolve. CCP deserves credit for fixing it as quickly as they did. I doubt it could have gone any faster.

@Xeux

You are calling me a bigot for not trusting politicians? Are you for real?

Yes. This was the first time in my life I’d ever been accused of being dishonest. In fact, I’ve made my reputation by being the guy who is fair and honest - even guys who literally hate me have defended my integrity. I’ve had political opponents praise me for it, and even had the Washington Post compliment me for running a “civil, thoughtful race”, which is something you never see for someone of my political party. I’ve given no one any reason to doubt what I’m saying is true, but you immediately question my integrity because of what I do for a living.

Yeah, that’s bigotry. I hope you outgrow it.

In any event, I’m done talking about this stuff at this point. If folks aren’t going to support me because of this, so be it.

[Dunk_Dinkle]

[Xuxe_Xu]

@Brewlar_Kuvakei

People who’ve previously resigned their position of completely their own volition, Adolf Hitler, Mussolini, Mittens, Brisc & Nixon.

Ah yes…

“Interesting” revi…interpretation of RL history, there, Brewlar.

[Olmeca_Gold]

@Buoytender_Bob

in these forums to discuss in the open concerns of the community.

@Buoytender_Bob

You have remained silent for 6 months, all the way from last year in October when you had a flurry of forum activity. Then you went silent; dead silent. Guess we are not worth the time or effort? Too busy being the expert?

@Buoytender_Bob

…and, for God’s sake, up your official forum postings

@Buoytender_Bob

at least he engaged with everyone

A lot of people find any kind of forum not a top notch social media medium to engage with each other. That’s why we have things like CSM discord, or in my case, my own discord. I not only read so much feedback from it but even do live chats often. Perhaps we need to be more transparent on how you can get in touch with us. In my case, I’m one of those rare people who actually answers their Evemails. You could have asked me how you can find me.

You can’t look at a CSM member’s activity in only the forums and then decide he’s not engaging with the community. You should check out my Discord server’s history to see how much discussion was had. You just didn’t know how to get in touch with me, despite that I announced my discord to the public several times.

Discord - A New Way to Chat with Friends & Communities

And this link for the CSM discord.

Join the Official CSM Discord Discord Server!

@Buoytender_Bob

I don’t want “experts” telling CCP about their game

Your feelings are your feelings. It’s still makes for a better game.

@Buoytender_Bob

the recent CSM meeting had at least one presentation made by a CSM member that made game claims based on self reporting, yet ran completely counter to the few stats that CCP have released.

This is completely false about any of the 6 presentations.

There is a reason CCP pays for 10 people to go to the summit, and makes hours of room for these presentations. It’s because they are extremely helpful. They already decided it’s well worth the money by giving it more and more slots, so your feelings are ungrounded.

@Buoytender_Bob

No wonder EVE devs keep zigzagging their way to confusion.

After Blackout (which was too early for CSM 14 to have any input on it’s development), this year has been one of the best years for Eve development wrt stuff that already happened and also that’s in the works.

You appear to think that ability is not important or needed; that “experts” alone can help shape EVE development in the correct direction

False. I by no means claim CCP take feedback only from the “expert CSMs”. If anything I always encourage when CCP casts a wider net to collect feedback from.

I’m saying whenever you offer good feedback anywhere, it’s not gonna be missed by CCP whether Brisc is CSM or not. It’s not so hard to follow a bunch of places and trickle feedback up. Any 10-member team among the top 25 candidates will be able to do it. The ability that he advertises with to run for CSM does not distinguish him.

@Buoytender_Bob

The problem arises when the “expert” decides that any feedback that fails his “quality” test is left ignored and not discussed.

This is true for anyone. I won’t be able to convince Brisc to relay something important for me but not important for him to CCP.

[Jurius_Doctor]

@Olmeca_Gold

Brisc is someone coming from a very old fashioned way of playing Eve and thinking about CSM.

He is a null bloc candidate. But more important than that, he is a metagaming figure rather than a game expert… (Cont’d)…

Olmeca, you wrote 844 words; that’s 4,935 characters in that post.

You know, if you’re running for CSM re-election you’re supposed to put up your own forum post, right?

[Olmeca_Gold]

Yes, I do.

(I was one of the rare candidates who put the so much effort in their forum post last year. 3,258 words 18,949 characters.)

[Brisc_Rubal]

@Olmeca_Gold

A lot of people find any kind of forum not a top notch social media medium to engage with each other. That’s why we have things like CSM discord, or in my case, my own discord. I not only read so much feedback from it but even do live chats often. Perhaps we need to be more transparent on how you can get in touch with us. In my case, I’m one of those rare people who actually answers their Evemails. You could have asked me how you can find me.

You can’t look at a CSM member’s activity in only the forums and then decide he’s not engaging with the community. You should check out my Discord server’s history to see how much discussion was had. You just didn’t know how to get in touch with me, despite that I announced my discord to the public several times.

Nobody uses your discord, Olmeca. Nobody has said a thing in there for weeks, and there are some forums and topics that haven’t had a discussion in months.

I do think it’s amusing that, as usual, you find a way to hijack every thread and make it about you.

@Olmeca_Gold

I won’t be able to convince Brisc to relay something important for me but not important for him to CCP.

This is not true. As I have repeatedly said, and as I did on CSM 13, I am willing to present player ideas to the Devs, even if I don’t fully agree with them, so long as they are well thought out. If elected, I will be representing you, too, Olmeca and you can expect that I will present your feedback as much as anybody else’s.

That’s my philosophy of the CSM. I know it isn’t yours, but it is mine.

[Buoytender_Bob]

@Olmeca_Gold

This is completely false about any of the 6 presentations.

Self reporting and choosing through either intentional or not intentional bias, results in data and conclusions that run counter to what neutral raw data may show. For example, Dunk’s talk about industry was well presented, but it relied on people responding to a questions in the forums alone. While it relied on a fair number of accounts responding (1000+), it appeared that the numbers didn’t match what CCP has said in the past. While his conclusions were that most industrialist were NS, multi account specialist and some other conclusions, CCP’s own data states that many industrialist were other sector and single accounts. Sure, the EFFECTIVE industrialists are specialist, backed with the power of their NS activities, but doesn’t indicate the full story and shouldn’t be used alone to drive future development ideas.

A RL example would be to explore gun safety/control. You can decide to go to the NRA national convention and have people self report about their gun use and background. You determine that most gun owners are white,rural, and have no criminal record. Many own “assault guns”. Your conclusion is that there is no current problem. You then go to a large city and analyze the independent raw data from crime reports and see most violent crimes are committed using guns obtained through “straw” purchasing from gun shows or a legal 3rd party; many are simply stolen (or reported as such). You find that most recent mass shootings involve “assault style” rifles, many purchased legally. Your conclusion then runs 180 degrees from the that drawn by the data from the NRA. The actual “truth” is actually somewhere between the two studies.

The issue is that the CSM has a long record of “specialist” members having an innate bias against ideas that run counter to their own. If you are truly suggesting that a widest net possible should be cast for development, then private channels and specialized boards may not be the best way to go. The bottom line is that I don’t trust most of the CSM to present or effectively discuss ideas that may run counter to their own or that represents concerns outside of their own playstyle. Past CSM meeting reports back this up, not only from the last one. Having an open, well aired debate on these forums are better than some back channel or snarky NS leaning board.

But, let’s not derail Brisc’s campaign thread any further. While not my strongest candidate choice, he still offers value in his willingness to offer open, frequent communication to all players. If other CSM members would follow his practice and communicate out in the open on these forums instead of relying on “specialized” boards or channels, as well as if we could know that they would communicate at least some of the ideas to CCP without filtering them ALL out, then I (and many others) could confidently use my votes on other candidates. Past CSM summit notes leaves plenty of room for doubt.

[Olmeca_Gold]

@Brisc_Rubal

I do think it’s amusing that, as usual, you find a way to hijack every thread and make it about you.

If you didn’t realize I made a post about you, then got a criticism about me to which I replied.

@Brisc_Rubal

This is not true. As I have repeatedly said, and as I did on CSM 13, I am willing to present player ideas to the Devs, even if I don’t fully agree with them, so long as they are well thought out. If elected, I will be representing you, too, Olmeca and you can expect that I will present your feedback as much as anybody else’s.

That’s my philosophy of the CSM. I know it isn’t yours, but it is mine.

You wouldn’t think many of the things I defended this year or will defend next year to be well thought-out or well argued. Many others did.

[Brisc_Rubal]

@Olmeca_Gold

You wouldn’t think many of the things I defended this year or will defend next year to be well thought-out or well argued. Many others did.

You’re putting words in my mouth. Many of the things you were proudest of this year - the super EHP nerf, for example - are things I agree with and also campaigned on. We don’t always disagree about things that need to be changed in the game, even if we disagree on other things.

[Olmeca_Gold]

@Brisc_Rubal

You’re putting words in my mouth.

No I just know your background.

@Brisc_Rubal

the super EHP nerf, for example

Most null bloc persons agree with super ehp nerfs. One example or two doesn’t change the above generalization.

[z0ra_Berg]

@Tipa_Riot

The difference is, he pretends to care, pretends, not actually does IMO. He is good at pretending, very good, like a lot of politicians. I recognize simulated competency and empathy, not from personal encounter with Brisc, but from what he writes and says.

With this pretended care and big share in media, he occupies attention, and energy, which could have been invested into better candidates, discussions, and their opinions.

As long as people exist, who are dumb enough to be manipulated, there will be people who manipulate. But let’s be fair. Without politics, where would all the rich and power hungry psychopaths go?

[Brisc_Rubal]

@z0ra_Berg

As long as people exist, who are dumb enough to be manipulated, there will be people who manipulate. But let’s be fair. Without politics, where would all the rich and power hungry psychopaths go?

EVE Online.

[z0ra_Berg]

BREAKING NEWS:

“Rich, white old psychopath man and real life psychopath politician seeks position of influence in video game. Is real life not enough to satisfy his hunger for influence? More news at 11 !”

PS: No, it’s not libel.

[Brisc_Rubal]

@z0ra_Berg

PS: No, it’s not libel.

It’s not. It’s not really funny, either, but hey - you do you.

[Xeux]

How about: “Real-life union rep gets appointed to be a player rep in online game. Game company kicks him out under accusations of misconduct. The union rep claims these actions destroyed his life, manages to clear his name, and then quits in disgust. Two years later he decides that it was actually not such a big deal and decides to run again. Playerbase is very confused.”