Can capsuleers have sex and children?

Solonius_Rex · November 23, 2018, 7:57pm

This is a serious question.

Can Capsuleers have sexual intercourse and have children?

I mean, what happens when youre in a clone, you get pregnant, then jump-clone? What happens to the child?

zander_exvirus · November 23, 2018, 8:32pm

I would assume capsuleers still like to bang cause… it feels good, but im not sure about children.

Nevyn_Auscent · November 23, 2018, 8:35pm

Jump cloning “kills” the clone you jump from. So you would have to tube the baby at that point. On the other hand artificial wombs are an established and common technology at this stage in Eve.

Kelza_Quam · November 23, 2018, 8:37pm

There is some capsuleer-on-capsuleer action in one of the Tony Gonzalez novels.

Teinyhr · November 23, 2018, 9:20pm

Yes. CCP Abraxas was EVE’s senior writer so I think his input has some weight.

Capsuleers can have sex, the clones are not Barbie and Ken dolls. And they are not sterile by default, though that is an option for those who want it. However you’ll be “stuck” with the clone that is pregnant and have to carry the baby to term. Like @Nevyn_Auscent said, to my understanding the clone left behind is essentially killed in the case of jump cloning, and obviously you can’t clone pregnancy.

Dread_Saboteur · November 23, 2018, 10:26pm

Intercourse yea sure but not intending to conceive children. All capsuleers seek power and independence having children is a weak point at which their many enemies can strike.
I’m sure for this reason many choose to have their clones sterilized.

Max_Deveron · November 23, 2018, 10:57pm

The CEO of Ishukone has a wife and a daughter,
As portrayed in the Book Templar One

Their lives were threatened by Tibus Heth which took an elite security force from Ishukone Watch to counter act, despite the stupid baseliner wife’s attempt to circumvent the security her husband placed her in.

Solonius_Rex · November 23, 2018, 10:57pm

Only if you care about your child.

In any case, thanks for the answers.

That link doesnt work for me.

Were the wife and children also immortal?

Teinyhr · November 23, 2018, 11:07pm

That’s why I paraphrased the contents right after. It’s the old forum backup that works one minute and doesn’t on the next, probably hosted on someone’s old iPhone 3.

Max_Deveron · November 23, 2018, 11:28pm

no they were not, and neither was Mens sister hiding out in some remote place to protect her from “The Broker”

Solonius_Rex · November 24, 2018, 4:39am

Youd think the CEO of ishukone could afford having his wife and child become capsuleers.

Is there an age limit to capsuleers? like a 5 year old capsuleer?

Scipio_Artelius · November 24, 2018, 4:44am

It’s not a simple process and most (about 90% from memory) people die in the conversion process and never make it.

So, on the balance that’s there’s a ~90% chance your wife and daughter will die, would you?

Solonius_Rex · November 24, 2018, 4:47am

They should incorporate this into the Character creation screen.

Like, spending 15 minutes making your character, then at the very end you get a “Your clone has died. Please try again” message.

Elsebeth_Rhiannon · November 24, 2018, 5:08am

I think it’s 90+ percent who start training won’t make it. Not all of them die. Some do though so your point stands.

(My favorite non-serious lore theory is most agents are drop-out cabsuleers and hate all player-characters because envy and bitterness. It would explain a lot about the mission system.)

Timiko_Sato · November 24, 2018, 7:52am

Actually, only about 10% die in the capsuleer program. But yes, it’s anyway very hard process with the facing death by euthanasia it the end.

Tavin_Aikisen · November 24, 2018, 8:20am

There are CCP approved chronicles in EON-Magazine of capsuleers having sex for pleasure.

Yiole_Gionglao · November 24, 2018, 8:47am

At one point I planned a story involving a female capsuleer who would jump clone, get pregnant, carry the baby and have it, then would jump clone back to her original clone so she could stay young and pretty after birthing a small tribe of offspring (16 children so far, born over a 30 years period in which her mother was always 30 few).

The EVE-is-a-dark-grim-place twist was that the capsuleer was blind because of an accident and she would have all her children blinded at birth so they lived like mom…

Scipio_Artelius · November 24, 2018, 9:04am

Yeah may not be death exactly as the biggest barrier (10% mortality is only in 1 phase of the training).

Quoting from The Immortals of New Eden in EVE Source (page 20-22):

BECOMING A CAPSULEER
Pod pilot candidates are a rare breed. Only 14 percent of all those who apply are able to make it past prescreening into basic training, and only around 5 percent of those manage to make it through the entire program and go on to become capsuleers. Prospected candidates must satisfy a broad range of criteria, including but not limited to: 20/20 vision, perfect hearing, blood pressure within a highly limited range, peak physical conditioning (able to run at least 60 kilometers without pause), a complete genome profile that excludes any defects or hereditary disease, ninety-eight percentile intelligence, a degree in a sufficiently advanced technical field, and provided no grants or scholarships are in the picture, an enormous amount of money. Above all, the candidate must possess an ability to keep his mind working along several different tracks at once, giving full attention to them simultaneously.

Once past prescreening, a candidate is given a thorough grounding in capsule and cloning technology, as well as the specifics of what sets a capsule-fitted starship apart from a traditional, bridge-commanded vessel. He learns how to manage crews on varying sizes of ship, how to conduct basic maintenance, and myriad other tricks of the trade. The length of this book-learning phase varies between schools, though it is never less than one full year and very seldom more than two. The period culminates in a six-hour-long oral exam, during which the candidates depth of knowledge is assessed, as well as his ability to think of his feet and respond to unexpected sets of variables. Regardless of how well a candidate has been doing up to this point, if he does not convince his instructor beyond a shadow of a doubt that his knowledge is bulletproof, he will be failed out of the program and sent home.

Once the initial academic phase is over, a two-year period of grueling physical orientation begins. After being fitted with the requisite implants of capsule interfacing (and provided the bodies don’t reject the implants), prospects are subjected to days upon end of deptivation tanks, zero-G environments, and shock simulations intended to acclimate the body and mind to the rigors of travel through warp tunnels and wormholes. This, by far, is the training phase where the largest portion of candidates fail out of the program. Most of the ones that do simply cannot tolerate the constant barrage of physical pain and conditioning, interspersed with the interminable periods of sensory deprivation. About to lose their sanity or patience or both, they sign their own termination slips. Some refuse to give up, but are not rewarded for their persistence: this phase of training has the highest mortality rate of the entire program. Exact numbers are not available, but it is estimated that roughly a tenth of all candidates lose their lives at some point in this phase.

For the few who manage to make it through orientation, the learning can begin in earnest. The last two years of the program are devoted exclusively to developing the skills needed to be an effective pilot, including hardpoint configuration, warp mechanics, shield system operation, signature analysis, astrometrics, and a host of associated skills. For the first of these two years, candidates fly solely in simulations, for the second year, they are finally allowed to fly their first capsule fitted frigates.

Once a candidate makes it through the entire five years of mental and physical hardship and exertion, he is ready to face the final test: in order to gain his certification and become a full-fledged capsuleer, he must submit to voluntary euthanasia, give up the body he was born in, and clone into a new version of himself, for the first time coming squarely face to face with death. Despite the prodigious investment of time and energy the preceding years have demanded, it’s surprising to note how many candidates cannot make this final step, forgoing all they’ve learned because they can’t bear to cross the Rubicon into posthumanity.

For others, the journey is just beginning.

In the end, it’s only 5% of 14% (or around 0.7% of all people that apply) actually make it to the end,

Yiole_Gionglao · November 24, 2018, 10:10am

How boring. so capsuleers are the bestest of the bestest, the strongest of the strongest, blah blah blah, then they double tank a cruiser and mix weapon sizes right before autopiloting a freighter through Uedama…

I’ll rather stick to my own version of the lore. Anyone with the appropiate genes (a tiny percentile of population) can become a capsuleer, often just paying for it, which explains why “rogue” capsuleers are such a bunch of disfunctional jerks who behave as if life was a videogame.

On the other hand, the fact that as per the lore capsuleers train in simulations means that i was even more right to claim that the best NPE would have been players starting in a seperate server with “virtual” content and limited systems so they have a chance to learn the ropes and make mistakes before jumping into the shark pool.

Scipio_Artelius · November 24, 2018, 10:15am

I think you are mixing up lore and game.

If you really think the characters are acting independent of the players, then there is something wrong, and last I looked, none of us players have actually been through any of that.

It’s Lore, nothing more.

Good for you. That means nothing to anyone but you.