Cloaking Device Module rebalance time

[Gerard_Amatin]

@UNR3al1st1c

Booster is needed for an active pilot who does not farm ISK
Observatory is needed for those who farm suit in the system.

My point is that you’re one of those who rents the system from the clime owner. And of course you have a problem with an afk camper 24/7 because you’re alone.

You make a couple of assumptions there.

Observatory is needed for those who farm suit in the system.

Observatories are a tool to get kills. I have never deployed observatories to farm a system, I deployed observatories to get kills.

While some people may deploy them to keep their ratting system safe, I did it to go out and kill cloaky campers for the fun of it, not unlike how you camp systems to - I assume - get kills.

My point is that you’re one of those who rents the system from the clime owner.

My knowledge of mobile observatories is from the perspective of a cloaky player and that of a cloaky player hunting other cloaky players.

I know mobile observatories from both sides and have enjoyed their addition to enhance cloaky gameplay from both sides.

As a cloaky-hunter the mobile observatories added a method of interaction that was simply not possible before when AFK cloaky players could stay in system for the full 24 hours while not at their computer at all.

As a cloaky the mobile observatories also added fun new ways of interaction. They’re fantastic opportunities to bait fights:

• you can shoot the mobile observatory (they’re suishy, only 6 volleys of a bomber or one volley of 6 bombers) to see if they defend it
• you can pretend to be decloaked after one of the pings and kill whoever comes to scan you while they think they’re getting an easy AFK target.

Mobile observatories made the cloaky gameplay a lot more interactive and fun for everyone, cloaky and non-cloaky players alike. They’re a big improvement to the game for everyone except the AFK cloaky player who does not want to pay attention.

[Dyver_Phycad]

@Gerard_Amatin

Observatories are a tool to get kills. I have never deployed observatories to farm a system, I deployed observatories to get kills.

The campers get kills and can enjoy the impotent rage.

[stefnia_Freir]

I agree, this needs a big change.

Make the base time 1 min instead of 15 (so you can be decloaked after 1 min) and the booster mandatory consumable to have 15min duration.

This way, if you camp, either you have to pay consumable, or you have to reactivate your cloak when it’s down, or you can get decloaked and scanned.

[UNR3al1st1c]

And every minute you don’t catch camping will be paid for out of your wallet, I agree to that change.

[stefnia_Freir]

Yes, as people go with comparison of prey and predator, the issue with that comparison is, in reality a predator that does not catch prey, dies.

[Eloken_Toralen]

@UNR3al1st1c

It’s not about Towers, what a silly thing to say.

Towers were the ‘citadel’ of the era and in many ways are still superior to citadels.

@UNR3al1st1c

These changes are already being implemented.

Much to the chagrin of the player base.

@UNR3al1st1c

I don’t fill regions, I’m just in space without a dock, but I’m being pinched as if I’m a window spammer for entire regions.

Doesn’t matter if its theft of a penny or a pound, its still thievery.

@UNR3al1st1c

This booster costs ISK I’m not going to pay ISK for this nonsense.

Then go build it and stop whining.

@UNR3al1st1c

Or are you accusing me of being a bot?

They are getting a tad indistinguishable.

@UNR3al1st1c

It is very easy to miss the moment, so you need to press constantly on and off that there would be a timer.

Run fewer accounts, or do not be a cloaky camping doofus?

@UNR3al1st1c

You can disable this scan altogether. And local chat.

Can’t disable other people’s dscan or other people’s chat though.

@UNR3al1st1c

In 15 years of playing, this is the first time I’ve ever needed sound because of that timer.

The WH people who park an alt off their hole all day laugh in your general direction.

@UNR3al1st1c

it’s a nonsense.

Its nonsense to argue a mechanic needs to be changed when a mitigation already exists. If the argument was that it cost too much it build there might have been some weight to the statement but no, went straight to the fingers in ears.

@UNR3al1st1c

But I don’t have to uncloak to update the timer.

Botters and macro users would abuse the hell out of this, so no.

@UNR3al1st1c

you are accusing me of something I don’t do, you solved one problem, and created a problem for another type of player who didn’t do region locking.

Its not solved, its just knocked down the low hanging fruit that was blatantly abusing the mechanic. Currently the only a problem is for players who are still trying to mass multi-box, when the writing on the wall clearly indicates this is unwelcome. Go do something meaningful like PI.

@UNR3al1st1c

No I am not afk , currently in the game , having a conversation with you and checking the timer on the windows. this is not normal.

It would be worth recognising that AFK means ‘not interacting with the client’ as opposed to the literal, ‘away from keyboard’ parlance. Indeed, not ‘AFK’ could qualify the use of almost any other application with zero attentiveness to EVE at all, yet somehow a special status is sought avoid the consequences of not paying attention?

@UNR3al1st1c

how?

Whatever changes that would result in cloaky ships being able to loiter with impunity would have an asymmetric costs, which was the entire problem with AFK cloaky camping to begin with.

@UNR3al1st1c

A lot of what for?
And once again I repeat I am not a bot, and I am not a region blocker, why do these decisions affect me?

Any changes that tilt the scales in favour of a scalable mitigation will be abused, %100 and it will be back to the bad old days.

@UNR3al1st1c

You’re being deceitful, you’re saying the observatory is against 24\7 region blockers.

Its against AFK cloaky campers, whether they be there 24/7 or even 15 minutes, though since the mobile observatory only lasts about an hour and a half, a fresh one needs to be anchored every 90 minutes. Last checked, two of these costs about the same as the decloak immunity booster, though nobody is in here arguing for that to change, even though it should.

@UNR3al1st1c

Now you’re saying it’s also against online players on sabras.

AFK cloaky campers and interdictors on gates are just different smells from the same cesspit, nobody should be surprised a strong wind blows away both.

@UNR3al1st1c

Don’t make it up, I’ll make npcs, npcs change aggression on you and the person collects afk drones and runs to the dock.

There are many dead ishtars that indicate otherwise. a guy even did a video on a 400 million ISK tengu about it.

@UNR3al1st1c

all these ideas are in play.

Thought they were not really ‘new’ ideas for the most part…

@UNR3al1st1c

The tower is not a station, and they were introduced later in the game, nonsense talk.

It was equivalent for the era.

@UNR3al1st1c

Are you even competent in any matters ?

Rolled a 1 for the perception check on sarcasm there it seems.

@UNR3al1st1c

Have you been playing for a long time ?

What does that matter? Cloaky gameplay is supposed to be hard, especially at scale. If the focus was on one or two accounts it would not be so problematic.

@UNR3al1st1c

This too will be implemented from November 10 read the news.

That comment was directed at the fee structure for SKNR, which since its introduction has caused the bottom to fall out of the regular ship skin market.

And no, sov changes happen at the end of this month, the new Zarzak ships are November 12th, so lighten up on the toad licking for a bit eh?

[stefnia_Freir]

@Eloken_Toralen

It would be worth recognising that AFK means ‘not interacting with the client’ as opposed to the literal, ‘away from keyboard’ parlance.

AFK means away from keyboard, as someone who physically can’t respond. What you mean is “inactive”, that’s for someone who is not focused on the game.
The difference between the two, is that being AFK you can’t interact at all, while being inactive you need an external stimuli (hull breach being one - if sound is on)

@Eloken_Toralen

AFK cloaky campers and interdictors on gates are just different smells from the same cesspit, nobody should be surprised a strong wind blows away both.

This, so much.
And I was the cloaky dictor on gate.
And I hated it.

[UNR3al1st1c]

@Eloken_Toralen

Towers were the ‘citadel’ of the era and in many ways are still superior to citadels.

It wasn’t about the level of citadels as it was before. Don’t pretend like you don’t know what I’m talking about.

@Eloken_Toralen

Much to the chagrin of the player base.

There is no aggravation, the project should generate income. Otherwise you will play a game where jam is not fixed for 15 years …

@Eloken_Toralen

Doesn’t matter if its theft of a penny or a pound, its still thievery.

That’s your opinion, I don’t agree with it.

@Eloken_Toralen

Then go build it and stop whining.

This is an incredibly stupid decision.

@Eloken_Toralen

They are getting a tad indistinguishable.

I’d rather not say anything than say that.

@Eloken_Toralen

Run fewer accounts, or do not be a cloaky camping doofus?

I’m not cloaked camping. I’m in unfriendly space. I need a way to hide from the enemy.

@Eloken_Toralen

The WH people who park an alt off their hole all day laugh in your general direction.

I don’t live in the WH I don’t need sound like them…

@Eloken_Toralen

Botters and macro users would abuse the hell out of this, so no.

Botherers will push the button anyway. Cloke or no cloke. They’re botters, they’re all about the software.

@Eloken_Toralen

Its not solved, its just knocked down the low hanging fruit that was blatantly abusing the mechanic. Currently the only a problem is for players who are still trying to mass multi-box, when the writing on the wall clearly indicates this is unwelcome. Go do something meaningful like PI.

I play with my hands and do not use other third-party programs to play EVE, so it would be wrong to call me a multiboxeros.

@Eloken_Toralen

Whatever changes that would result in cloaky ships being able to loiter with impunity would have an asymmetric costs, which was the entire problem with AFK cloaky camping to begin with.

I don’t think changing the timer will do anything critical. The so-called 24\7 will be caught anyway because they are 100% afk. And players who went for a sandwich for 15 minutes, will have time to do their business and return to the game.

@Eloken_Toralen

Any changes that tilt the scales in favour of a scalable mitigation will be abused, %100 and it will be back to the bad old days.

I don’t think so.

@Eloken_Toralen

Its against AFK cloaky campers, whether they be there 24/7 or even 15 minutes, though since the mobile observatory only lasts about an hour and a half, a fresh one needs to be anchored every 90 minutes. Last checked, two of these costs about the same as the decloak immunity booster, though nobody is in here arguing for that to change, even though it should.

the price of the booster should be brought down to an acceptable price.
For a pilot like me a cheap booster will not be noticeable, but a 30pcs booster for 24\7 will be critical every day because he will start paying ISK for it.

@Eloken_Toralen

AFK cloaky campers and interdictors on gates are just different smells from the same cesspit, nobody should be surprised a strong wind blows away both.

So let’s turn the game into a vanilla cesspool where everyone hugs and loves each other, and sabra inflates balloons in honor of her birthday… I believe that sabra is already inflating birthday balloons because every carabli that sabra is interested in has Interdiction Nullifier

@Eloken_Toralen

There are many dead ishtars that indicate otherwise. a guy even did a video on a 400 million ISK tengu about it.

I every day I see afk farmer, which at my local boost go to warp, and it is not clear if it is possible to be bots I did not find out.

@Eloken_Toralen

It was equivalent for the era.

I disagree. there have been many inconveniences

@Eloken_Toralen

What does that matter? Cloaky gameplay is supposed to be hard, especially at scale. If the focus was on one or two accounts it would not be so problematic.

Strange problem solving, create vanilla conditions for PVE by removing content from pvp.

@Eloken_Toralen

That comment was directed at the fee structure for SKNR, which since its introduction has caused the bottom to fall out of the regular ship skin market.

And no, sov changes happen at the end of this month, the new Zarzak ships are November 12th, so lighten up on the toad licking for a bit eh?

I don’t get it.

[Gerard_Amatin]

@UNR3al1st1c

I’m not cloaked camping. I’m in unfriendly space. I need a way to hide from the enemy.

What exactly is it that you do with your 10 cloaked accounts in unfriendly space?

Maybe we would understand each other better if we knew your context.

Edit - did some zkillboard sleuthing:
It looks like you’re cloaky camping pandafam space with yourself and alts in Sins, Curses, Nemeses and Sabres, killing blingy Tengus, Ishtars and a couple of blockade runner pilots who forgot to fit interdiction nullifiers.

Nice work! I may steal that Sin fit if you don’t mind.

Anyway, such active cloaky gameplay with so many accounts shouldn’t have trouble with mobile observatories unless you’re not paying attention.

I think the problem here isn’t the mobile observatories, just that your attention is spread thin over so many accounts, too many when people can fight back because of mobile observatories.

If you cannot pay attention to 10 accounts to keep them alive, maybe scale down a little?

[Wadiest_Yong]

@UNR3al1st1c

Now it is necessary every 15 minutes, to click on and off Cloaking Device to be safe.

??? Only if there’s a mobile observatory deployed. And you don’t see those often as they cost a lot, last only that long, and take considerable PI to produce for what they do. At most you see them during deployments, and that is when you will not be afk.