people who died because of bad intel should be a non-issue. local makes this game unplayable (which is why wormhole space is best space). However there were times where fleet chat wouldn’t work and we couldn’t structure our fleet correctly and people couldn’t take squad warps.
Oh moving people and having people move in fleet is messed up too! I forgot we’re having problems with that too!
Yesterday I had single day where local was working, and now it is back to not working again. Showing different local counts between characters, people docked not showing in local, ect.
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I sent a ticket to receive a kind of compensation for all those bugs and I received the same answer. “Local is just for chat and is not an intel, please use combat probes to intel…
As a matter of fact, we don’t handle personal compensation. CCP might come back with a global compensation in the future but no garantees…”
When does CCP came back with a global compensation in the past? I don’t even remember but it is really rare.
You pay 12€ a month to play the game and when bugs arrises and prevent you to use all the functions you paid for, they just spit in your face and tell you to litterally STFU…
Play some free to play game on your tablet, never spend a dime and most of the time after a delayed update or a single bug, you automaticaly receive in-game currencies three hours later or the next day at the latest as a compensation.
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Just keep filing bug reports.
That’s what I’ve been doing.
That is some very nice swooshing you have over there I think Jebi would approve.
lets see if i understand this correctly. i have a 4 man mining team out in a system that is 164 au across. i am not supposed to rely on local to see if anyone is in system with me. i am supposed to have one of my miners launch combat probes. laughable. if i wanted to do somehting useless, i would use Dscan which will tell me that i am about to die anyway. if i want any advance warning i would need to have guys with combat probes for several jumps out. however. all an aggressor needs to do is look at dotlan or the agency and see exactly where to go to find content. lets get real here, seeing local IS intel, and still requires actual effort to have players report it so we can mount a mutual defense. if not local chat, then what is the intel support for defenders and please dont say combat probes again, thats ridiculous.,
If you are in null which I am assuming you are, then wouldn’t a response fleet be more reasonable.
If you guys are mining chances are you have alts since that carrier scales quite well with alt’s so it would not be unreasonable to assume you would be able to defend your selves and fit enough tank to allow the response to arrive.
so 4 pvp guys only need dotlan. 4 miners need a response fleet, high end tanks and eyes out in multiple systems. yah, that seems fair.
who said anything about needing eye’s 1 miner gets tackled 3 warp to the athanor where you are mining and bring out 3 pvp ships that counter the enemies you have home field adv so you can see what they have and bring something suitable so 3v4 would be fine.
I have tried to tackle miners many times and it usually ends up with 12 locals vs the 4 pvp dudes with dotlan.
okay, pvpler
Okay, minler
my original statement stands. for some reason miners apparently need multiple accounts and many friends to be successful, but so called pvp players that want to shoot miners just need themselves and a friend or two. i provide my own defense when i am out, or during a planned op we have defenders. but it seems that there is a bias at CCP that says miners need no INTEL, but give it to pvp for free and even include a “set destination” button to help those poor souls out. wait and see where ship prices go as more miners stop logging in.
If the prices go up more people will mine for isk and it will rebalance out again. But I mean you speak as if CCP is removing chat and local on purpose, they are obviously having bugs.
You will have your perfectly safe nullsec back with local in no time just be patient.
no i am saying that CCP representatives have repeatedly said during this issue that local chat is not to be considered intel. if that is true, what are they offering the people that live and work in systems as INTEL support. since they clearly provide it to invaders
Isn’t dotlan also your friend when it comes to mining then, you can see which systems don’t show up and you can go mine there safely and when you start to light up move again.
If you know what your enemy see’s you can counter it.
Free intel often makes people rely on it and become lazy so if you find a way to get around it you will be in a good position.
It’s like using a tomtom to navigate in traffic for a year then all of a sudden it doesn’t work.
so lets see , miners leave the game, your assumption is that the others will work harder to make up for them going just so they can deal with logistics to get the ore that is needed to build things. (remember CCP removed most of the ore types from space by security)
secondly, if i am living in system A and that is where my stuff is, what you are suggesting is that i look at dotlan and move to system B in someone elses space to mine and logistically get my stuff home unmolested. your really need to talk to people that actually make an effort to make ships for you, and it isnt for a big isk paycheck. its because we like building things.
11 Rorq losses… Damn ok I guess you have way more experience in this area.
yep. and most of those were to overwhelming forces that exceeded anything we could have defended against. eyes out are helpful but not a guarantee. response team in fleet and on site cant stop 80 man trig fleet with logi or 7 nyx hotdropped by an awoxer. mining is a tough life at times, but as i said, we like what we do, it just sucks that the deck keeps getting stacked. i rarely fly my rorqual any more, the rocks are too small and the risk is too great and a whole day of mining wont get me enough ore to build a caracal.
Guys really? This is still going on?? Time to hire someone who actually knows wtf they’re doing please.
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