I didn’t do my homework again. Still, I haven’t had the chance to call someone intelligent in a long time. Maybe he has potential?
If they’re good enough to code something like that, they’d be better off creating their own software to sell people rather than getting pennies for game cheats that will just be patched out eventually.
I would sell it to the military…
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I love it to death. The idea that pulling stuff out of a rock and having it turned into something tangible in game is so damn cool and unique. Ore that I mine gets turned into ships that people fly, modules that the ship equips, guns that the ship fires, and ammo that fuels the guns. Isn’t that the coolest damn thing? I’ve played so many MMO’s over the years and in every single one the whole resource harvesting and crafting industry feels so hollow. Things that you spend your time and effort to make are so worthless, sometimes nothing more than trinkets or mass produced junk that are just consumables for players.
Some of the much older MMO’s like runescape might be comparable, but Eve’s industrial system is so large and deep. Not to mention the things that I help to make have so much more impact. Like you could probably be a well established crafter and produce gear for people. But that gear, due to the way the game is designed, is more often than not just disposable items.
Eve Online though? I mine shits of ore, deliver to builders, and in a few months of hard mining I get to see massive capital ships flying in my space that I know that I contributed to. I get to use bridges and structures that I know I contributed to. I get to mine with players who are flying rorquals and hulks that I know I contributed to. That’s just not something I’ve ever really felt in another game.
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I’m on an alt because I don’t need people bringing debates from forums into my in game. I’m here for discussion, but people get annoying and bother me in-game, and in some cases I’ve had people actually find me because they knew where my corps were located. There’s also the chance of people within my own groups seeing what I post, not liking it, then harassing me for it. I’ve had that happen at least once since, admittedly, I have takes that tend to be disliked. I won’t deny that at least.
if you can’t even stand up for your own opinions with your friends or corp mates in sincerity, how is it fair of you to expect us strangers to treat them sincerely?
I have unpopular takes even amongst my friends and corp mates and while we disagree we’re adults and can get along and have fun just fine.
There are few people who actually follow threads on the Forum. Even fewer who will take the time to continue discussions outside of it.
Tell them you’re busy. Thank them for their interest, and move on.
So what? I’m a retired ganker with indelible connections to the worlds of James 315 and his worthy successoress. Given the rabid outpourings of some of the anti-ganking crew, I would have perhaps some reason to be concerned. I’m not, and anyone may find me via Locator Agents or my posts, which sometimes mention that I live in Fittakan, usually in Gulfonodi. No-one has ever troubled me in-game.
As Io said, that shouldn’t be an issue. It sometimes turns not on what you say, but on the manner or tone you use. If your corpies don’t agree with you on everything, again, so what? If they hassle you, it might just be that they disagree and that you see it as ‘hassle’.
Everywhere, in and out of game, there will be those who disagree with you - and make their views known. You don’t have to engage with them. I get it, you’re busy manic-mining your stuff for the builders, but surely these incidents can’t be that frequent?
It may be because your mining main is not combat-skilled, and that, if he/she were discovered, would be hard put to mount any kind of realistic defence against a determined assailant. But then, I would have thought that your corpies would help out (if you hadn’t pissed them all off, of course…). Or, you may not have combat-skilled alts.
In any case, Angry Bogan, I’m sure that most people on here don’t give a tinker’s cuss where you are or what you’re doing. Too busy with our own stuff!
Actually, Dracvlad passed through my system once, some months ago. You might have expected fireworks/smack-talk. In fact, we simply had a little chat then got on with whatever we were doing.
Even though you and I have certainly had disagreements, I’m not spending any of my Omega time seeking you out!
Friends are different than corp or alliance members. My personal friends are fine and I have no issue with them.
And no offense intended by this, but I don’t particularly need validation from people on my opinions. If you wish to argue points that I’ve made or things that I’ve said then that’s what I’m here for. But other than that I don’t need to prove myself to anyone to state what I think.
It’s not about validating your opinion and saying “yes, I agree”. It’s about conveying your opinion with a responsible sense of sincere conviction so that it can be read as such.
The idea of a non-multibox mining ship is very low on the scale of “how inflammatory is this idea” and rather trite in substance. So it seems strange that it somehow warrants posting on an anonymous alt and devoid of an owner responsible for this tepid idea. You cannot fault readers for therefore questioning the sincerity of this thread, given the multiple cases of people posting on forum alts to attempt to artificially craft a narrative in this very small community. (Edit: I am not questioning your sincerity, but this whole thing does seem strange)
The entire thing is bad wounds from old experiences. I’ve been on and off with the game for a good few years and I’ve had enough time and enough forum posts to have triggered a few people into causing problems.
One of the annoying ones was with the group problem. Some of the bigger groups I’d been a part of have had nasty splits between industrial and combat players. You get these people who view mining as the “nerd” profession and see indy pilots as people who don’t contribute enough to the collective group. So a terminally online asshole who only PvP’s spots me complaining about mining in a public forum, and next thing you know I’ve got some douche bags insulting me, calling me a krab, and even getting some higher ups telling me to stop posting ■■■■ cause they think it looks bad for the group. Even though I met all of my requirements and quotas for fleets as well regularly did non mandatory grouping.
The only good indy pilot to them was probably the ones that produced ratting ships for their own krabbing. Unfortunately I wasn’t quite up to their standards.
Obviously I understand that they’re stupid, and I didn’t listen to a damn thing that they spouted, but I prefer peace and quiet so I’m not taking those risks again.
That’s a poor reflection of the group(s) you were in, there really shouldn’t be a situation where you’re pushing for a change that allows you to do more solo play because of the behaviour of your corp/alliance members.
It does indeed sound like OP needs to ditch the toxic group and find another with great camaraderie that runs welcoming and sociable mining fleets which obsoletes the need for a solo mining ship in the first place.
The idea of a non-multibox mining ship is very low on the scale of “how inflammatory is this idea” and rather trite in substance. So it seems strange that it somehow warrants posting on an anonymous alt and devoid of an owner responsible for this tepid idea. You cannot fault readers for therefore questioning the sincerity of this thread, given the multiple cases of people posting on forum alts to attempt to artificially craft a narrative in this very small community. (Edit: I am not questioning your sincerity, but this whole thing does seem strange)
Fair point. I still don’t feel the need to show credentials, but I understand what you’re saying and I do recognize that alt accounts for the sake of spamming forums can be annoying.
Actually, I do appreciate what you’re saying here. One of the downsides of being in some corps is the internal tribalism, hard-welded to a kind of herd mentality. It’s mostly immature frat-house stuff, but irritating.
I know because I joined a well-known Nullsec corp a long time ago, and found it to be stiflingly adolescent (I was not, even then, a young person…). I left, and never returned to Nullsec.
So, it sounds as if your stance has indeed been shaped by your experiences. It also sounds like a move could be under consideration?
Thanks for fleshing it all out for me. It helps.
It’s moot to discuss points with someone who can just “make up” his “points” because we can’t even build on the fact that he knows what he is talking about. It leads to fighting windmills and pushes the burden of proof entirely on others.
I could begin with your Gila-Comparison, which you insist is viable but in fact is absolutely isn’t. I have run thousands of Abyssals since they came out and spent hundreds of hours on the Testserver just testing fits and consider myself to be a really really experienced runner (that includes Gilas). And I can tell you that you are extremely wrong about the idea that running T4s in a “cheap Gila” is even remotely comparable to mining Ore in an Exhumer. I could even write a 5000 word essay, explaining every single point in detail, backing it up with provable facts. But you know what? I have absolutely no interest to do to that for someone who just “claims things” without any evidence he has the slightest experince on the topic. And that doesn’t mean you suddenly “have a point”, it just means you showed no single evidence that you are even qualified for the discussion.
On top comes your own contradictions, first claiming it is hard to find people to mine with (which it isn’t), then suddenly you need an Alt because you are “part of groups that could dislike your opinion”. Thats all fishy. No one in a bigger mining corp/alliance has any problems getting into boosted fleets with access to at least mediocre resources many times per week.
Last but not least, all this “uhh I use an alt because I am afraid people could come back to me on something I said on some forum!!!” only further backs up my impression that you are indeed either pretty new or pretty inexperienced. Because these things barely happen at all, while claimed by some mysterious alts all the time. It’s nothing but fearmongering. I have argued fiercly on the forums against some of the most powerful groups in the most emotional debates (ganking vs. antiganking, nullsec demands vs. smallscale needs, carebears vs PvPers for example). All with my main to back up I know what I am talking about. And guess what: nobody came. Nothing happened at all. Nobody in this game cares for the forum poster “Syzygium” and a lot less for some random single account miner asking for a more powerful solo mining boat. Absolutely nobody.
Multi-boxers aren’t your problem.
We have “self-boosts” in the form of hull bonuses. The mining hulls are pretty well balanced in my opinion.
Your problem is playing with the wrong people or in the wrong areas. Join mining fleets in your corp for boosts. If there are no mining fleets, be the one to organize them. If you can’t get anyone to join, find a different corp with like-minded people.
There is nothing a multi-boxer can do as far as mining goes that a group of players cannot do just as well.
Or pharmaceutical companies. Supposedly the citizen science stuff we did was useful to them, but if someone could create a piece of software that would automate that process, it would be worth millions. Seems like a pretty big waste to spend all that development time on making cheats.
I cannot stress this enough, but you should really consider finding a reliable mining fleet to work with rather than try to strike it out on your own. As an Orca commander myself, I have just as much fun enjoying a few drinks in a voice call with my fellow miners. Exhumers, Mining Barges, Mining Frigates, etc. They make me money, I make them money, and with our powers combined we have a good time. Mining was never intended to be a solo occupation. At least, not for long. I think you are mining for the wrong riches if all you see is yourself and a handful of absurdly large rocks. As sappy as it sounds, the real paydirt is the potential friends (or slaves) you find along the way.
Sorry, Harkkiainen, what you said made absolute sense - but I did have to snigger…
Take it in good part!
What is confusing about the quote?