Unless I’m mistaken, there isn’t thousands of players being nominated for CSM. You can literally spend 5 minutes looking at a player and see what they do in the game, why would choosing these players have to rely on looking at what a database flags them as lmao?
Then it will always be stacked for null players since the CSM isn’t really visible for most of the people who play the game, much less the campaigns. The vast majority of votes will be for whoever the large null alliances tell their members to vote for
Ok what if, CCP said that 1 csm would be the supreme csm who had much more influence than a normal csm but in order for that to happen they would need to have more than 10x the votes than the 2nd highest person.
This will force all the people with multiple accounts to use all their votes on their favorite guy instead of being able to use them to game the system and get multiple people in.
And then say afterwards that there is no surpreme csm it was just to get the cheaters to use up all their alt votes.
When you have 2/3rds of the player population not even knowing what a CSM is - What’s to figure out.,.
Stop the rot with CSM elections - 1 vote per player. Instead of 1 vote per account.
You “might” see different results.
Less overall voters for sure but a far more balanced election.
No way to enforce that unfortunately unless CCP asks for ID numbers and cross checks it with your country xD which is not viable.
Or some heavy penalty for voting with multiple accounts owned by the same person to dissuade them like an account suspension for a few months or something, but that’s a lot of checking work for ccp time they don’t have.
In more words? I have made it a POINT to try a lot of parts of Eve, fought in a null war, lived in a hole, gone on small roams. Done manufacturing and owned a POS. I choose to identify as a Hisec guy and most would agree but some players do get to move around.
Others live in one area to support their love of another.
You want a balanced slate? The start researching the folks running. I welcome the chance to work with all aspects of Eve but I will not claim to know the intricacies of all of it. I know the New Player Experience. I have a fair grounding in a lot of hisec activities.
Each of you could probably say something similar, if you have be playing long enough. You tried some stuff and then settled into what you like to do. A LOT of candidates may show up and it is up to you (and me) to decide upon what makes a decent slate to vote for. If you care only for your style of play then go ahead and vote a slate, see what sort of balance that gets you.
If you want a lot of voices? Well some work may be required to find out who is a good person to represent things you do not care about or even agree with.
Me? I plan on talking to anyone who wants to talk with me and going out and finding the groups that do care about hisec, new players and the like. Getting elected as a hisec players is not easy, but it is not impossible either.
What if a player has 2 accounts he opens the one from his pc and another from his laptop each have a vpn leading through a different country, the characters from both accounts never interact with each other never send money or contracts to each other and never fly in the same system at the same time then what lol.
That player would be able to vote with 2 accounts easily and some players have 100 accounts to vote with.
The only way would be to trick the abusers into wasting their alt votes which is not an easy task.
How? Killboards? Employment histories? There’s plenty that’s not captured in publicly available information, especially when it comes to PvE. There has to be an objective criteria applied by CCP or else there’s too much room for “they didn’t let me run because they didn’t like me” type nonsense that would turn the community team into an elections office and just generate a ton of complaints. Not worth it.
Any election system is going to be geared towards those who can best organize. There have been plenty of non-nullsec based CSMs in the past, there will be in the future. Yes, it’s a much harder climb for them, but it’s not impossible.
Yes, that’s a fairly good indicator alone for 95% of eve players.
You’re focusing too much on edge cases that are more difficult to ascertain. The vast majority would probably be very easy to say with just a glance, especially if they’re running and say what they do in the game.
That’s true, but this is a video game, not a national election. Interference by CCP to have a more rounded CSM might be whats needed for the health of the game.
Is the idea of CSM to get in members of your alliance so they skew the game in your favor? Or is it to make the game better as a whole? or neither?
Neither has anyone in nullsec. CCP, in fact, had Aryth’s activity pegged as Highsec because that’s where the majority of his time logged in is—on his market alts, because he’s a finance guy. Aryth, Innominate, and Merkelchen pointed this out to CCP in the first summit of this term. It’s right there in the minutes, and is the reason CCP revised their tracking methods.
I think the vast majority of EVE players have done more than one thing during their careers. I spent the vast majority of my time in the game in high sec before moving to null sec. I still run missions in high sec, too. Could I qualify as a high sec player? It would have to depend on how they defined it. I probably spend a couple hours every week in high sec, even thought I’m primarily a null sec player.
The point of the CSM is for the players to get to choose who represents them to CCP, not for CCP to pick who gets to represent the players. From the beginning in the wake of the T20 scandal, they’ve always wanted the players to decide who gets to serve.
You don’t seem to have any idea what the CSM actually do. ‘Much more’ than… nothing?
The CSM don’t have any real influence with CCP unless they’re unanimous, because CCP shops their ideas around the CSM, and—like anyone with an idea they like and want to hear ‘this is a good idea’—as long as even one person is willing to validate their preconceptions, everyone else can tell them it’s insane, and they’ll decide that one guy is right. Doesn’t matter if it’s an area where that person has any expertise or experience. Steve could agree with them about the mechanics of managing an alliance of 30,000 characters, and they’d take that as all the proof they need that they’re right.
You’d also need to attach them to different email addresses and pay for them with different credit cards. Will some people slip through on 1 or 2 accounts? Sure. Will the people with 20, 50, 400 accounts have them all set up on individual emails and cards? No.
