That certainly didn’t work out last year, did it?
I just wish you wouldn’t spend so much time defending the US political system. It has nothing to do with who you are, Brisc, but it makes you look like a tool.
I appreciate the perspective and time you bring to the conversation. I believe we can all benefit from each other the more we forgo our preconceived notions of one another.
Eve is a world we look into with LCD/Plasma crystal balls but the act of peering into this universe presents a world manifested by an infinite number of incoming perspectives and ideas.
The CSM is flawed because it mandates a forced “democratic” but gives the community and universe no recourse to dismantle it – thats not freedom , that’s a cage. So let’s call it what it is.
Further, the idea that voting process is systemically democratic is folly. Sure you can argue that advertising irl buys votes. However, its quite another in New Eden because you simply need to increase the number of active subscribers for the duration of the voting process to lean the votes.
Eve is not a fitting place for this type of democracy if there is no recourse to disrupt or bring it down.
CCP wants a focus group. Why would we want to disrupt that? The CSM isn’t a governing body.
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So its a focus group now? I thought we were voting using democratic systems.
The answer doesnt change: Because that focus group focuses their efforts from existing paradigms that are not interested nor willing to break and rip down. Its clear there’s a hidden agenda, its pretty obvious.
That the body is elected democratically doesn’t mean that it’s some kind of governing body. Disrupting how the community chooses its representatives doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense to me.
See, two men of compromise can agree on something. We agree that certain things don’t make sense even if we differ on those things. You don’t think it makes sense to have any discourse against a system created by CCP Divine right.
I don’t think spooling up a bunch of subs during CSM voting time clearly reflects the actual wishes and will of the player base…so what the CSM seems to be for only to prop up existing systems and status quo - which i think need to be “brought down” in purely New Eden Spaceship terms…
Americans are born into exceptionalism.
They can’t help themselves. They are right about whatever they do by the simple fact that it’s them doing it. It’s inconceivable to most Americans that they might not be number one… in everything.
So they have to tell you about it. Repeatedly. How free they are. How rich they are. How Jesus Christ himself blessed them into existence.
As evidenced in this thread, it’s near impossible to have a rational discussion with one of them. Especially one employed by the donor class.
I’m sorry that you feel this way, and I’m disappointed that I’m being judged by my nationality instead of by what I’ve said.
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And your belief that the CSM voting was dominated by people who resubbed accounts specifically to vote comes from where? I’ve seen no evidence that it was a major factor. Turnout wasn’t that significantly higher than in past years, and there’s at least one “disrupt the status quo” candidate who got elected.
The CSM has no ‘hard power’ WE cannot command CCP do thus or we shall smite thee.
What he have is the soft power of persuasion, of being players woven into the game, living it. You elect people who you HOPE will see things from your side (whatever your side happens to be) but to be honest? A lot of the CSM folks I have dealt with, over the years, will argue for changes that make the GAME better even if it might be a hit on the playstyle they were elected as a representative of.
Yeah, hard to believe butit is because some of you are still under the the impression that CSM is an extra, a bonus to the game, not a new job. If you have been CEO of a corp, a good one, then you know how much work, thankless work, goes into keeping things running. And no matter how good a job you do? Someone is complaining.
CSM is like that, only without the hard power that I mentioned above. We (well I did, anyways) stepped up to help the game, to add my voice and hopefully make the game a little better, tomorrow, than it is, today. If I do my tasks correctly it is a lot of hours that you never see, talking, meetings, writing proposals that nobody has to read but you hope that they do. And yes, coming here to the forums and engaging with the players.
Even you
So regardless of what you think of the CSM. We keep trying.
Now excuse me, I have a meeting to get to
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ITT: serious political discourse in the serious framework of serious spaceship biznizz
clap clap clap clap clap clap clap
They are literally still living off of CCP/player collusion & corruption from 10 years ago.
It really demands a full reset. If not an alternate server, on Tranquility itself.
The ideas that CCP has promised that players can achieve and still promises are not reality, and haven’t been even remotely possible for at least 8 years.
You keep saying that but reality is quit different. I follow politics for decades and time and again politicians, when in power, with hardly any exception, turn out to be corrupted one way or another.
It takes years or sometimes decades for that to be revealed but eveutually it does. The whole profession is rotten to the core and attracts other rotten narcissists with an accelerating speed ending in more and more countries becoming close to dictatorial states instead of the other way around. If you can not see that happening you are either part of it or too naive (let me be kind) to recognize it.
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I’m sorry you feel that way. It has not been my experience.
You are correct, It is pandemic.
No, you’re not. That’s the greasy political expressions you use.
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No, I really am sorry. I don’t consider myself to be a bad person, and I find it unfortunate that you believe me to be one simply because of my job.
If we knew what you did, then maybe, but as you wear only one badge on your sleeve, doesnt leave much room for much else.
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You will have to deal with it I am afraid. And that earlier post where I showed the steep decline in people’s trust in politics should be a warning to you. It is not a few people who don’t trust politics but more then 2/3 of the population. You mistakingly replied that it is the “institution” of politics people distrust. That doesn’t explain the decline from 70-80% trust in politics to 30% trust now since the fifties. Along the way politics and politicians ■■■■■■ up so badly hardly anybody trusts what you and your colleagues do. You seem not to take that signal serious at all. Not once have you said there is a real worldwide trust problem in the way politicians operate. The only thing you keep saying is there are a only a few bad apples but most are just hard working people who have it real hard being a politician (■■■■■■■ propaganda speech). That is blatantly false and you avoiding to acknowledge this makes you part of the “corrupted” rotten part.
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