“Another issue that the CSM raised at our recent summit meeting was the removal of structure rigs before destruction to deny satisfaction to the attackers. To solve this issue, destruction of fitted rigs will no longer be possible while a structure is damaged. Rigs will essentially follow the same rules as modules.”
So you can remove/change rigs without rigs beeing destroyed ? ( like in a Tengu )
The 5 minute fitting window is a really great change. I completely agree with the sentiment you mention behind the changes, if you are deploying a structure then it should be able to defend itself as otherwise is just bad gameplay for both the defender (who doesn’t get to use his structure in combat) and the attacker (who ends up bashing an undefended structure for 20+ minutes).
Eve is about good fights and getting to use these structures in combat will encourage fights, rather than them simply becoming unrewarding structure bashes.
The difference is you get to kill a citadel in 1 timer rather than having to go through 3.
Any chance of increasing that timer, 30 seconds will make the scrambler pretty useless, it should be at least a couple of minutes.
Also I don’t see any reason why the web needs to have a cooldown timer.
They will become two of the most useless citadel modules given those changes.
Other way around. Rigs won’t be able to be changed when the structure is damaged. Including removal.
Yeah let’s make a fortizar easier to kill, 7 subcaps is too big a fleet.
A keepstar is worth 300 bil easily. What keepstar fight have you seen with 300 TRILLION isk worth of attacking ships ?
At this time you can kill a fortizar with a small fleet of subcaps. Any defense you put on it is way weaker than the defense of a deathstar pos which is 5-6 times cheaper and supposedly replaceable with an astrahus.
If you want to kill a citadel easier than you can kill a pos then you are missing the point of structures altogether.
A couple questions about the coming changes
"To solve these issues, we plan to add a reactivation delay to the Standup warp scrambler and Standup stasis webifier modules that prevents them from being cycled constantly without breaks. The current plan is for them to activate for 30 seconds, and then need to wait one minute before activating again. Combined with these changes they would also be limited to a maximum of one copy each fitted to a structure. The intent would be for these modules to be used strategically to grab tackle long enough for an allied ship to get their own point, or in conjunction with the new AoE webs and bubbles. "
The warp scrambler work for 30 seconds and needs one minute to reactivate, the new AOE bubble works for 40 seconds ( with a 20 seconds warm-up ) and needs another minute to reactivate. Does this mean that a structure only has 70 seconds to destroy (one) ship before that ship warps away no matter what ? How will this help in the most likely event that a structure is attacked by a blob of ships from 100km away ? The standup missiles alone need 20 seconds to travel that far.
Forget the blob, what would be the chance of a structure against a single BS accompanied by a pair of logistics ?
“The largest change to modules in this release will be the addition of new T2 Standup modules. These will provide upgraded functionality to all the major combat modules for Upwell structures and introduce numerous new fitting options. Entirely new module categories will also be brought to Upwell structures, including capacitor power relays, capacitor batteries, armor reinforcers.”
Will these modules be available on sisi before release ?
Any plans to convert the existing POS modules to standup modules with similar functions ?
A pos can protect itself against a pretty good fleet.
Great job CCP. Lots of change. I like this.
Until you defang it, which you cannot do to upwell structures.
Hello again everyone! Thanks again for the continued discussion. I’ve finally caught up with the new posts in this thread and today I’m able to share with you all a few changes to the the plan that we’re making based on your feedback so far.
Thanks again for the feedback and keep it coming!
Nice 
Solid changes 
How about instead of “magical wizard repair timers” and damage caps people actually undock to rep their structures like with Dominion mechanics?
Thanks for listening, all of these are good ideas.
based, thank you for advocating
haha citadel genocide best day of my life
“Doubling the final “last stand” hull repair timers for all Upwell Structures to 30m. This provides more time for attackers to get into position or to reposition, and should slightly mitigate some of the extra challenges in high-load fights. This doubling would not impact the initial deployment hull repair timers which would stay at 15m. We are investigating options around dilating repair timers, but we can’t make any promises in that direction as there are technical concerns that haven’t been fully estimated.”
This does nothing at 10% tidi when your fighter tubes are taking 2 hrs to reload up after the last 3 squadrons were destroyed.
This does nothing at 10% tidi when your fighter tubes are taking 2 hrs to reload up after the last 3 squadrons were destroyed.
That’s life in extremely degraded server conditions. The only choices you have there are whether or not you show up, and what you choose to show up in.